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        05-26-2008, 09:47 PM
      #11
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    I didn't think it was too much to worry about, just curous on what normthern meant because I've never heard that term before..nor can I see what she's talking about
         
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        05-26-2008, 10:05 PM
      #12
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps
    what do you mean by "forward heels"?
    I'm not all that good at explaining stuff without pictures and on dial-up I tend to stay away from uploading, but the jist of what I mean is: if you look at his two left feet (front especially), you'll see that where he is bearing weight on his heels is ahead of the frog bulb. Draw a line across the rearmost point of his weight-bearing "wall" and you'll see what I mean. It's really not bad and as you say it's been a while since the farrier was out so I'm sure this will be fixed again shortly. It's interesting how this is evident on the left but not on the right. Everyone is right or left-handed and this affects how we trim and clean, but I would hope that a farrier would have a better handle on this. Of course, it could be a simple thing like his feet just grow differently on that side; after all, most people have one foot that is bigger than the other. I wouldn't worry about it at all since his feet will be looked after again shortly anyway.

    Oh, maybe I'll get ambitious and do a photoshop thing, but I'm not a professional, so all I'm giving is a personal opinion.
         
        05-27-2008, 10:51 PM
      #13
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    Here is a mark up on 2 of your pics.. Underrun heels are forward of the heel bulbs. They should be along the same line. Basically they are too long tho they may not appear tall.. Clear as mud?

    These hooves need trimming, btw. Heels need to be backed up(filed down so they are closer to where the heel bulbs are. The walls are long also. Backing up the toes helps get the heels to stop running forward also.


         
        05-27-2008, 11:15 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Appyt
    Here is a mark up on 2 of your pics.. Underrun heels are forward of the heel bulbs. They should be along the same line. Basically they are too long tho they may not appear tall.. Clear as mud?

    These hooves need trimming, btw. Heels need to be backed up(filed down so they are closer to where the heel bulbs are. The walls are long also. Backing up the toes helps get the heels to stop running forward also.
    Thanks for that much clearer explanation. I always seem to know what *I* mean, but can't seem to explain it! I hope this helps out on Sonny's feet.
         
        05-28-2008, 12:00 PM
      #15
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    I'll mention that to the farrier when he comes next and I'll take pictures afterwards of his job.
    Do you think it will particually bother him though for me to be riding him with that? I see what you guys mean...
    Do any of you have any pictures of the way they actually "should" be?
         
        05-28-2008, 12:14 PM
      #16
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    Here are some older pictures of his hooves (sorry they aren't the best pictures)


    ^^left front


    ^^left Back


    ^^Right front


    ^^Right Back

    It does still appear the same way...how can a farrier fix it? Do you think it's just something that the farrier did wrong? Something I should that I should switch farriers because of?
         
        05-28-2008, 03:12 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Sorry, I can't see much on those older pictures except for one and that one does, yes IMO, seem to be the same. As for riding him, sure go ahead. Switch farriers? Hmmm... why don't you talk to him first about it and see how you feel then. IMO, a farrier or vet or trainer etc. should be open to questions and constant learning. If that is the case with your farrier and you haven't had any issues with him to date, you may be well-advised to stay with him. Long heels are a common thing and definitely Sonny's are well within the "trim-back-to-shape" range. The other thing I noticed was his bars; if you want to know more about this search out barefoot trimming advice on the net. After you look at several different sites with many different people's opinions and photos, you'll get the idea of what we're talking about. In Europe there are accreditations for barefoot trimmers, but all I've seen in Canada is self-certifying which means doodly-squat.
         
        05-28-2008, 06:49 PM
      #18
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    Many horses are even shod that way as there are substandard farriers(and trimmers as well) out there. I think they just do not KNOW that it is rather easy to fix really. Back up the toe from the front(top) rather than making it short on bottom, which only makes the horse sore. I have a great barefoot trimmer. She is currently taking a few months off as she is preggers. My roan mare came to me with badly underrun heels, tho her hooves are at least round. She tends to get fat round feet with flares. Amber has been working on this for a while and she is coming along nicely, but it does take time and diligence. It is best if the owner can tweak every couple of weeks for optimization. IE faster results. ;)

    You can click here http://www.barefoothooves.net/ for her site and google for many other barefoot trim sites to view what a correctly trimmed hoof should look like. I also have some sole shots(imagine that, lol) I will throw some up of Heidi's feet.

    Oh here is my photobucket folder full of trimmed hooves, 5 dif horses so you can get a feel for the work. http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k2.../Hoof%20trims/

    Here is one of Heidi's fronts taken in February.
         
        05-28-2008, 06:54 PM
      #19
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    Quote:
    Thanks for that much clearer explanation. I always seem to know what *I* mean, but can't seem to explain it! I hope this helps out on Sonny's feet.
    No problem. I need pics too when I don't know what someone means. ;) I have a link to my horses trims up a post or 2, tho I should have more up there than I do.. [/quote]
         
        05-28-2008, 08:36 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Nice feet, Appyt! I've had my mare for 2 years off the track now and just when I think I have her all good, something new crops up, but her heels have widened by a whole inch since she arrived! It's shocking to place her shoes against her feet now and think how she was on the track!

    It certainly is a labour of love and, you're right, weekly maintenance makes all the difference.

    SW -- let us know how it goes with your farrier, ok?
         

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