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post #11 of 28 Old 09-27-2012, 11:06 PM
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My gelding just shed his frog a few weeks ago (first time I had witnessed that in nearly 20 years with horses). It looked nothing like those photos. It was a layer that peeled back off the frog, and did require a hoof knife to disconnect from his heels. But when it came off, he still had a very distinct, undisturbed frog underneath.

To me, your horses hooves look to have something more serious going on. Is he sore at all or do the feet have any smell to them?
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post #12 of 28 Old 09-27-2012, 11:10 PM
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The trainer came highly recommended and has a waiting list. My Buckskin was green broken when he got him. We put a saddle on him tonight and when he saw it coming, his head and ears went up and he started "dancing". He's always been jumpy and that hasn't changed either. He does seem a little calmer but we haven't ridden him yet. I know you can't work miracles in 3 months with a hurricane in between but I decided not to keep him and get a dead broke horse. I sure can't sell him like this though.

I contacted the purchaser this morning when my son called me. I had no idea they were this bad though. I'm hoping that one is ok.
I'm sorry for your bad luck.
Saddle your boy quietly, give him some lovin' then unsaddle him without working him for a day at least. He probably didn't have such a good time at the trainer's.
Who's idea was it for the late night pick-up?
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post #13 of 28 Old 09-27-2012, 11:52 PM
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Those feet have horridly overgrown bars, alot of retained sole and also appear to have some good thrush going. Coppertox would not be my first pick to treat them if those cracks and fissures are deep and gooey. Scrub the frog and foot clean. I put some Dawn dishsoap in a spray bottle with water and just spray it on and scrub with the hoof pick brush and rinse with the soapy water. Soap wont hurt anything and can even help. I use Thrushbuster on things that arent too deep and sore. I like Dry Cow or Rameys Goo for infections that are.
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post #14 of 28 Old 09-28-2012, 02:18 AM
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The trainer must be a poor student or a liar. I hope his training skills are better than his farrier skills.
Hmm, wouldn't be saying much though, would it?? Very poor student I reckon - if you have a look at the (coughs politely into hand)bearing surface at the heels, they do look recently rasped.

Agree with what others have said. Terribly overgrown feet, thrushy frogs, but may no be bad at all after a good trim. Agree that I wouldn't use Coppertox or any other heavy chemicals if the infection's deep.

Oh & you might not expect miracles, but you should expect some pretty decent training in 3 months, especially when the horse was already 'green broke' beforehand.
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post #15 of 28 Old 09-28-2012, 08:15 AM Thread Starter
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Picking the horses up at night was not planned. I sold one of the horses to an out of state buyer and we finished our negotiations on Wednesday. The carrier happened to be traveling through here at 6:00 a.m. Thursday morning. The 2 horses were at the trainer. He has no facility for a 50' rig to turn around. Our horse trailer is loaded with furniture right now so I had to wait for my son to get off work to pick them up.

He does not seem to be in any pain. He's not limping at all. There are no gooey spots but the white you see in one pic is powdery.

My son is friends with the farrier we use regularly. He called him last night and sent pics. He said there is nothing else we can do right now. He wants to leave his hooves long because it helps to keep the frog area off the ground a little more.

My son cut and rasped his hooves yesterday morning when he saw what they looked like. The trainer did them late last week.
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My son is friends with the farrier we use regularly. He called him last night and sent pics. He said there is nothing else we can do right now. He wants to leave his hooves long because it helps to keep the frog area off the ground a little more.
That make no sense to me. Maybe the farriers here can explain why that is a good idea, if it is.
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What was this horse stables on/in? Looks like he has been in a stall for the entire time with little or no work and certainly no turn out.

Your son bought a product called "Koppertox" for thrush. It won't do much w/o a good trim and cleaning up and trimming the whole foot. Horse looks to have a bit of seedy foot with separation of the hoof wall and a flare along the one side.

A good farrier will help set this horse to rights. Trims every 6 weeks and turn out and clean, dry places to stand will help too.
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BTW what you want is frog pressure. Frog pressure keeps the hoof healthy.
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post #19 of 28 Old 09-28-2012, 09:14 AM Thread Starter
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The horses were in stalls with shavings. They were supposed to be worked an hour every day. Now I'm being told that is not enough time to train them.

When I would go to bring feed every 2 weeks, this horse always had poop all over him where he'd been rolling in it. I always went after work so I figured his stall was dirty because the shavings were changed that morning. The shavings were never really wet looking, just poopy.

The horse I sold was always clean looking and his stall was clean so I had no reason to think they weren't changing the shavings. Guess that's what happens when you don't know any better.

I'm going to check around at the horse farms around here and see if I can find another farrier to look at him.
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The trainer must be a poor student or a liar. I hope his training skills are better than his farrier skills.
Contact the buyers & give them a heads-up. I'm sure they'll understand.
Ditto, ditto, ditto.

I'd bet all the money you paid that trainer to trim BOTH horses, plus my own that neither horse has been trimmed since they left your property.

If that's how he trims, I would be on high alert for any signs of abuse and other neglect on the training end of this "trainer". IMHO, that trainer needs the snot slapped out of them

Why I am so thankful I've been breaking/training my own horses since I was 12 and stopped taking my very loving and ethical granddad (who taught me everything, including trimming) for granted by the time I hit my 30's.
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