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post #1 of 43 Old 12-05-2009, 05:16 PM Thread Starter
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Gelding question

Okay, I'm getting a lot of mixed opinions from my horse friends so I thought I would ask everyone here.

I have a 3/4 shire colt that just turned 8 months on Dec 1st. When my vet did his vaccs back when he got here, he said I ought to plan on having him gelded by 8 months. When the vet was out here a few weeks back treating an abscess on my mare's foot, he re-iterated I needed to think about gelding the colt soon because he is so big already (14.1 when I taped him yesterday). He said he'll start developing stud behaviors soon that will be a problem. (note the colt doesn't act studdy at all. He is still very baby-ish in personality, just follows mama around and plays, or feels sorry for himself when I work with him.)

A good friend of mine who raises Friesian crosses argues since my colt is mostly draft, he is slower developing and I shouldn't consider gelding him until his second birthday, to geld him sooner will make him "mareish" in appearance (I know drafts ARE slower to mature, but I have always thought this theory of gelding a horse young making him "mareish" was a myth?) But most of my friends are tuning in with her, saying I should really wait to geld him until I absolutely have too, to maximise his growth potential. To me - he's going to darn well be tall enough, I am not overly concerned with maximising his height!

Generally I would always go with my vet's opinion, but my colt hasn't even dropped yet, and I don't think it's at that "too late" point where I have to consider major surgery on him, right? Anyone have thoughts on a good age to geld draft colts?
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post #2 of 43 Old 12-05-2009, 06:15 PM
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I checked out this great site with info. about gelding. Horse Gelding the Male Horse and Aftercare by Cherry Hill

Either way I don't think I would really worry about it until he drops, unless he takes a really long time (2 years) to drop then maybe the surgery would be required.
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Taller is what you get when you geld young(so they say), more muscle is what you get if you wait.. Not much taller and I dunno how much more muscly. ;) I say fix him when he drops, or when he starts acting up. Whichever is first.

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He will bulk up more if you don't geld him until later.
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you should wait till hes 2yro he can breed at 1yro so becareful with mares and if hes not studdy just keep hima stud thats what i would do
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Well if you want him taller geld him young. If you want him more muscular geld him older. Testosterone helps to close the growth plates sooner and produces a more muscular animal (or human). So get rid of the testosterone and the plates will stay open longer. I don't know anything about the whole "mareish" thing. Sorry

Of course, the absolutely most important aspect of when to geld him is your ability to deal with him when he starts feeling like a big man and your ability to keep him away from mares. That's my opinion anyways.

Now on to the important part... Pics? LOL
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I don't intend to keep him a stud regardless, he will be gelded, just a question of when. The only mares on the property are his mama and my son's 11.2 hand pony mare, who already needs to be separated when she is in heat - my 7 year old gelding wasn't gelded until he was 6, and he was used for breeding, so he DOES has some studdy behaviors (not too bad though. Just have to put the girls up when they come in heat.) I really don't want Finn (the colt) developing any bad behaviors, but it just feels like it's a long way off right now. I guess I'll just wait for now until he drops, assuming he does within a reasonable time, and try to make a judgement then. While I'm not concerned with his height, I'd like him to be fairly bulky, just for my own riding comfort several years down the road. I don't know, I guess the wait and see approach is a good one! I was just feeling a little attacked, I guess, by my vet wagging his finger and making me feel like I am neglecting my horse by not having it done already.

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Well if you want him taller geld him young. If you want him more muscular geld him older. Testosterone helps to close the growth plates sooner and produces a more muscular animal (or human). So get rid of the testosterone and the plates will stay open longer. I don't know anything about the whole "mareish" thing. Sorry

Of course, the absolutely most important aspect of when to geld him is your ability to deal with him when he starts feeling like a big man and your ability to keep him away from mares. That's my opinion anyways.

Now on to the important part... Pics? LOL

Well, that makes it a little simpler. I'd rather have him bulkier than taller, for sure! He'll be tall enough as it is. I'm confident enough in my ability to handle him thinking he's a tough guy, but do I want to is another thing altogether.

As for pictures, haha, I posted a couple of him (and his mama) on this thread: Post pics of your drafts and draft crosses

but they bad pictures, it's too dark in my barn. I'll try to get some better ones put up.

Thanks for the advice!
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I would geld as soon as I could after he drops, not before. But if he hasn't by 2 I would get the surgery. If he don't drop he wil still get the stud manners. He may not get studly but if he does it awhole lot of horse to control. It's alot easier for you and them if their cut before they get the bad behavior, thay way they never know anything about acting that way. You, him, and your other horses are safer.
My sister has a colt that she was waiting on him to drop and he's gotten the stud behavior now and when her mare is in season, her geldings play HELL. He ran one of the gelding through a fence and he got stabed with a T post (hate those things). 600.00 vet bill and 6 months later, he's much better but not sure he's going to be sound for heavy riding.
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I would geld as soon as I could after he drops, not before. But if he hasn't by 2 I would get the surgery. If he don't drop he wil still get the stud manners. He may not get studly but if he does it awhole lot of horse to control. It's alot easier for you and them if their cut before they get the bad behavior, thay way they never know anything about acting that way. You, him, and your other horses are safer.
My sister has a colt that she was waiting on him to drop and he's gotten the stud behavior now and when her mare is in season, her geldings play HELL. He ran one of the gelding through a fence and he got stabed with a T post (hate those things). 600.00 vet bill and 6 months later, he's much better but not sure he's going to be sound for heavy riding.

Yikes!! That's terrible, yeah those t posts are the worst, I'm still digging up ones that are set in concrete around the side barnyard (the horses are fenced well away from there, there was a bunch of trash, rusty old barbed wire and posts strewn through that whole section when I moved in).

I guess that's my real fear, is what if he doesn't drop - my vet seems to think he should have by now, but my friend that breeds the friesian crosses says a lot of her colts don't drop until 18 months.
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