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post #1 of 14 Old 07-22-2010, 03:36 PM Thread Starter
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Ginger tore her stitches out

Okay, so was getting ready to bring Ginger home from the vets and she tore all the stitches as she was walking into the trailer. Being this was the third attempt to keep stitches in, we are out of luck to try again.
so, as soon as I get home, I will post some photos of the mess, but please give me some ideas of good healing products. this is going to take major time to grow together, which is fine, she will be home in a nice pasture at my home with green grass and no dust. I have had her stalled the past two days and she refuses to eat and has only drank less than 1/2 bucket of water, so have to get her back home to Left Eye and get her relaxed.
But, mostly around here everyone uses Shriners(herbal) or Vetricyn that I tried on another horse and was not impressed. This is open, both sides of wound move as she moves and the muscles are exposed.
give me some miracle stuff to put on this massive wound. Even if I can't get it around here, maybe one of you could buy it for me and send it to me if you really love the stuff. Anyway, some good ideas please and when I get home to take photos will post what the actual wound looks like and you guys can see what a mess it is. By the way, she is not lame at all, was pissed around another mare that was stalled, so that gives me lots of hope that she will be okay.
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I have heard incredible things about underwood's and pink lady. Check out the pictures for testimonials. I haven't used either personally but have friends who swear by these!

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I have heard good things about Underwood's as well, but I've never used it.

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When I worked at the vet we used lots of flushing and hydrotherapy and a product called trypzyme v.
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post #6 of 14 Old 07-22-2010, 04:58 PM
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Farnam Wonder dust - has worked for me. One of my guys ripped his back leg and lost skin it was to big of a hole to stitch. 6 inches by 3 inches wide open. They had me wrap it for week and it just stayed moist and gooey. I found this online for about 7 dollars. It shrunk it by 1/2 overnight.
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Originally Posted by Poco1220 View Post
I have heard incredible things about underwood's and pink lady. Check out the pictures for testimonials. I haven't used either personally but have friends who swear by these!

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Hah! you beat me too it, Poco! My vet swears by Pink Lady. It has zinc oxide, scarlet oil and all kinds of good stuff in it. Right now, I have two horses that are pepto bismol pink - DJ because he has a bit of mild sunburn - he's a paint with lots of white on him with pink skin under it that just screams for sunburn, and Junior, because he's actually got an allergy to the sun, poor guy.

Underwoods is good, too - we've used it for lots of things - but Pink Lady has some staying power - it can really stick to wound.

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I would through Underwood's right out the window.

As for Zinc oxide and scarlet oil in Pink Lady being "good stuff" they really aren't. Zinc oxide is a good protective product if you are trying to protect skin from moisture, but it's not a wound ointment. Pink Lady would be ok to use for the sunburn issues your horse has --the zinc oxide is of benefit there because it forms a physical barrier between the skin and sunlight just like when it is used by lifeguards. Scarlet oil is a combination of things that are damaging to tissues. "Do not apply to large areas of broken skin. In case of deep or puncture wounds or serious burns, consult a veterinarian. If redness, irritation, or swelling persists or increases, discontinue use and consult a veterinarian."--direct from the Scarlet oil label

Wonder Dust is a caustic substance designed to treat proud flesh by destroying tissue--and it's not selective about what it destroys. It will destroy normal, healthy healing tissue as well as proud flesh so it slows wound healing and shouldn't be used in wounds unless it is on proud flesh.

For a large open wound, you want to use a product that is going to provide protection from bacteria and also provide an environment conducive to healing. A plain triple antibiotic ointment is a good option for most wounds. This is according the the researchers in wound healing in horses. Or if you are worried about it being sticky/goopy, they do make triple antibiotic creams.

It's really important that people actually read the labels on the products that they are told will be beneficial for treating problems in their horses. Just because they are good for one issue doesn't make them good for others. And just because the guy selling them says that they are "the best" doesn't mean that they have any scientific evidence to back it up. Anecdotal evidence is of very limited value. Without having a wound that is exactly the same as the one that is being treated to use as a control to see what the wound would have healed like without ANYTHING on it, you can't know that a product speeds healing or produces significantly better results than anything else. As they say in vet school "the body often heals in spite of what we do rather than because of it". Meaning that the body would try to heal no matter what you did to it so even with products that are damaging to tissues like Wonder Dust, the wound will eventually heal and if you have nothing to compare it to you may think it did a wonderful job and caused the wound to heal really quickly regardless of what it actually did.

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Ryle, I can understand you saying about triple antibiotic ointment, etc but have decided to give something else a try. Have had three horses this year been hurt badly and tried the good old ointment routine, Shriners, etc which are all sold by my vet and have not been impressed. So, will try Underwood, have heard and seen lots of good photos of it.
By the way, even though I am not a registered Vet Tech, I have worked for vets for over 35 years and was learning about everything they teach vet techs now before they had vet techs. So, I am knowledgable about what to put on cuts and such, I just requested some other ideas from out of the "vet world".
I don't think throwing stuff "out the window" just because it doesn't fit what you have been taught is the right thing to say... Many a farmer/horseman have used things long before the drug companies came into the picture and healed many many bad things.
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"the body often heals in spite of what we do rather than because of it". QUOTE]

that is pretty much exactly what my vet tells me he says as long as our antibiotics work the most important thing is keeping it clean it really doesnt matter what you put on it it will probably heal the same

but for large wounds I usually use silvadine

If it is somewhere where I would be worried about proud flesh I usually use silvadine untill the injury granulates then begin using animax

it all depends on the injury though

But i am not a vet these are just the ways I have treated major wounds in the past with a vets advice /approval ...if i knew how to post pictures i have before and after pictures of a nasty cut on my horses pastern last year it heaked wonderfly even when the vet was concerned about it healing.
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