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        11-08-2009, 08:54 AM
    Unless you have a kicker, I think it's just easier and faster to do in the butt. Perhaps our mares are just easy, but we don't even tie them...just walk up to them, stick them, and you're done...they don't even flinch.
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        11-08-2009, 09:14 AM
    Its pretty hard to screw up an IM shot. I've done IM, IV, subcutaneous, etc. IM is definitely easy. I don't suggest going in the butt though. For 2 reasons, 1- kicking, 2- the muscles in the rump are a lot harder to get through than in the neck if they tense up. If they tense up and you try to get the needle in, you will just end up bending the needle.

    You know where your target is, youll be fine. Just draw back, make sure there is no blood and go. If there is blood or it wont push in easy, just move to a different spot. Sometimes you're in the muscle but you can't plunge because the horse tenses up too much in that spot. You're not going to kill them with a little air either. Its no big deal. The biggest thing with the air would be when you're injecting joints. That's #1 to not have any air in there. IV- eh. We jug our horses a lot and we were always worried about not getting any air in when the jug was finished, and we were told by a few vets not to worry because it would take a whole lot of air to really do any harm. So a little air bubble isnt going to kill them.
        11-08-2009, 01:37 PM
    Well I hope everything went well, if that is, you did it already. I've always given a shot in the butt and I havnt been kicked yet (knock on wood) I don't think it hurts them enough to want to kick, since they don't know whats going to happen to them, they prob just think your are pulling a hair or something ( I really don't know tho).

    As for disposal, never throw the whole thing away together. Always put the needle in a hard container and throw it away so it doesnt poke through the back and poke someone. That's how everything is done at the vet clinics.
        11-08-2009, 02:11 PM
    For disposal I leave the needle on the syringe, put the cover over it (without snapping it into place) and bend it back and forth until the needle breaks in 2. Then snap the cover all the way on and remove from the syringe.

    That way no one can use it (drug addicts) if they get a hold of it somehow.
        11-08-2009, 02:43 PM
    If you go with the butt, make sure you do it on the side, not up high. If it abscesses (a small risk but always there when you give an injection) it will have an easier time draining out. There is zero risk with having air in an IM injection, and a very low risk with IV. You'd need enough air to fill the right ventricle of the heart which is several cc's. Also- I hope people understand that there are veins and arteries ALLLL over the horse so it is important to pull back on the syringe no matter where you're injecting.

    Good for you for taking the plunge, it is important to know how to treat your animals (and to start losing that phobia- but don't worry vet school is very desensitizing, you'll be poking with the best of them before you know it!!) and doing your own vaccines is a great place to start. Hope all goes well.
        11-08-2009, 06:26 PM
    So now that the "how to give" has been covered, what was in the 5-way? Was it really what you needed this time of year? When were your horses last vaccinated and with what?

    All 5-way vaccines are not for the same combination of diseases.
        11-08-2009, 08:26 PM
    Well, I did it last night.

    It was going fine. I was all ready, I have my boy hold Gracie, my little one, and I get all prepared, march on up to her, and I'm about to prick her when the boy goes, "Oh my god, that needle is HUGE!" Totally freaked me out, it took me ten minutes to get back "in the zone." She took it okay though, so did Ricci, she barely flicked an ear. They both, however, were swollen around the injection sight this morning, and it's pretty tender, but I know that happens fairly often... I'm still not happy about it though...

    As far as what was in it, it was tetanus, west nile, east nile, rhino, and enci... something. I don't have the wrapper with me, it's at the barn, but I'm pretty sure that's it. My girls usually get tetanus, west nile, and rhino, I think. They got whatever the vet wanted to give. O_o They were last vaccinated September '08. Except Gracie got her tetanus booster a month or two later.
        11-08-2009, 10:36 PM
    Ok, so West Nile, Eastern Equine Encephalytis, Tetanus and Rhino....something's missing. Either Western Eq. Encephalytis or Influenza I would bet.

    Just a comment--most of those should be vaccinated for early in the spring not during the winter. EEE, WEE, WNV are all transmitted by biting insects so you want to vaccinate against them early in the spring--about 2 weeks before mosquito/fly season starts. This is so that you have a high level of antibodies to provide protection during the time of year when infection with these diseases is more likely.

    Rhino and Influenza (the ones that come in the 5-ways) should be given 3-4 times a year if you are in a boarding situation or a barn where horses come and go alot (including for trail rides, rodeos or shoes). This is because the protection from these vaccines is short-lived and exposure to other horses (even second-hand) increases the risk of infection with these highly contageous respiratory infections.

    Talk to your vet about exactly what he recommends for vaccinations and when to give them, but that is pretty standard anywhere in the US.
        11-09-2009, 02:42 AM
    Awesome, Ryle, thanks for all the info! If I change them to a spring schedule, can I give them another five way in the spring? I'm not worried about vaccinating against Rhino and Influenza several times, she is at a private barn, it's just my two horses and my friends horse [who went through extensive vaccination processes because she crossed state borders]. I don't show, I rarely trail ride. She actually wasn't vaccinated at all from about 6 to 16, when I got her. Her previous owner didn't see the reason to, and she's in the same place. It's something I'll definitely change if I move or start showing.
        11-09-2009, 10:16 AM
    Yes, you can just vaccinate again in the spring for EEE, WEE and WNV.

    Even if you aren't going to vaccinate all year for Influenza and Rhino, it's still often recommended that you vaccinate against these in the fall because that is when they tend to show up even in private barns. EHV can lay dormant in the body for months or years and activate again when the situation is right.

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