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post #1 of 8 Old 03-01-2011, 09:28 AM Thread Starter
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Gizmo's Diet

So when I got Gizmo he was basically a pasture puff. She had five horses and he wasn't competitive enough for her in games so he was left in the pasture. So then after I had him for a month, and put him back on grain and limited hay, he foundered. So the vet had me rip him off the grain and just feed hay, she said he was fat and needed a diet anyways. So a month after he foundered my farrier came up said he was doing awesome and to put him back on grain. So I put him back on grain, but not as much as I was giving him before. So here are a couple of before and after pictures. Everyone here says he looks great! Some of the pictures he is stretched out more than others so the back of his belly looks tucked, but its just him stretching out.

The fist ones are the before, taken about September, when I first started paying for him, but he was at her house still.
The others are from a couple of weeks ago when it was nice out.
P.S. Yes his pen was dirty, that was after cleaning it two times and I cleaned it again later. It is hard to keep up with when it was melting so fast.
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post #2 of 8 Old 03-01-2011, 10:13 AM
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Without knowing what and how much grain you fed earlier, I'd still be reluctant to put him back on grain. Once they founder, they are more prone to do it again. His weight does look good in the last 2 pictures so he's getting the right amount of calories. Other options to get the nutrients you are looking for by feeding grain would be a loose vit/mineral blend (no sugars and virtually no calories) or a ration balancer while upping his hay. Even if you get up to hard training and he needs more calories, feed him oil, BP, alfalfa... anything with more calories without the sugars of grain.
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He has been back on it since December and he has done good. I he doesn't get very much, its about three cups. And it is just pellet 11% protein. So no sugar. I don't like sweet feed anyways. And this is with a combination of steady exercise. Right now we haven't been out in a little bit because of ice. But this summer we are going to be doing a lot of trails where we will be gone most of the day. So I would most likely give him more hay rather than grain anyways, because that is what he is more used to. And then when spring comes he will be able to be grass fed
Oh and he was on nine cups of grain before he foundered. Which they said was proper for his body weight, so the vet said that wasn't the cause of the founder. We are still not sure what caused it.

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Pelleted feeds do have sugar. It's in the form of starch, which horses' metabolize in to sugar. 3 cups is probably fine, but he's not getting enough vitamins/minerals on that. You should consider adding a vitamin supplement to his diet like Grand Vite, or switch to a ration balancer feed like ADM's StaySTRONG or Buckeye's Grow-n-Win. You only feed 1-2 lbs of a ration balancer, so less risk for founder and fewer calories for easy keepers.
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Oh I forgot to mention that he is on supplements as well. I kinda meant to say that pelleted has less sugar that sweet feed. :)

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Sugars (non structure carbohydrates) are everywhere in the horse diet. The pellets could be between 20-40% depending upon the ingredients (wheat midds, grain products, forage products, molasses products...) 9 C is only about 3# so that's not really a significant contributor. I would be looking at the hay. Depending upon the variety and the growing conditions, it could be over 20%. Anything over about 12% is a potential problem for a laminitic horse.
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Oh I forgot to mention that he is on supplements as well. I kinda meant to say that pelleted has less sugar that sweet feed. :)
What kind of supplements?
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Well he has been getting MSM just during the winter to protect his joints. He is middle aged and that is what his old owner used to do. As well as grand vite. Then for minerals I have a salt block, but he doesn't like it as much as my old horse. So I will ad salt to his feed when I notice he hasn't licked his salt lick. Then he also has a lickit in there, which does have vitamans and minterals in it. But it does also have some sugar. I will have to go back out and check his grain bag. I tried looking it up on the internet how much fat was in his grain, but I couldn't find the exact one on their website, which was weird. The closest one had 8% fat, that seems like a lot is it?

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