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        09-29-2010, 11:51 PM
      #1
    Foal
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    Ok so I got a gelding about two weeks ago and had the vet out to see him almost immediatly because he was sick.. nothin serious just a huge vet bill lol but my vet said he needs to gain about 100 or so lbs.. so im like yay? Im currently feeding him 4lbs of grain twice a day and like three - four flakes of hay twice a day and.. he's on pasture all day... anything else I can do to add pounds before we get snow and he doesnt have that grass all day?


    Thanks in advance =)
         
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        09-29-2010, 11:56 PM
      #2
    Weanling
    How big is the horse and how old? Don't feed him too much, too fast. What type of feed are you feeding? You don't want to throw a bunch of fat his way or corn filled grains. It's just fillers. The best feeds are the ones with equal percentages in fat, protein and fibers. Example I feed (10% fat, 10%protein and 10% fibers) it helps the horse digest as best as possible.

    Does he need his teeth done?
         
        09-29-2010, 11:59 PM
      #3
    Yearling
    It's good that you're giving him so much hay! Many times people underestimate the power of good quality free choice hay. About the grain... what kind of grain is he getting? I'm assuming you've introduced it slowly... or else that could produce a disaster situation. I would recommend flax. Somebody on here recommended it for my horse, and since we've switched to it, only about 2-4 weeks ago, he already looks chunkier. We are currently feeding my horse Purina Strategy Healthy Edge. It has high protein and all that good stuff (can't remember off the top of my head what's in it) to help gain weight, you can look it up by searching it on Google.
         
        09-30-2010, 12:24 AM
      #4
    Green Broke
    That may be too much too fast. I'd question about using that much grain as well.
         
        09-30-2010, 12:32 AM
      #5
    Trained
    Hi,

    Ditto to what others have said. More info will help & lots/free choice hay is the best single thing you can do. If he's otherwise healthy & not in hard work, this may well be all he'll require, along with nutritional supplementation to ensure a balanced diet. Also 'condition scoring' him(google it) is helpful, as different people have different ideas about weight on horses and generally speaking, a little 'underweight' is far healthier than the horse being too fat.

    Without more info, don't want to assume(as it seems that 'grain' doesn't necessarily mean grain to all), but generally speaking, grain & other starchy/sugary feed is not good for horses. It frequently leads to a range of health probs, of which weightloss/'hard keeping' is one potential problem. Therefore I'd avoid that type of feed - basically anything with grain or molasses in it. If you are going to feed a high starch diet, it's important that you feed it little & often, rather than largish feeds(horse's stomachs about the size of ours) only twice a day.
         
        09-30-2010, 11:38 AM
      #6
    Foal
    He is about 14 hh... the vet said on the scale of 1-9 he is about a 3... and he measured him and everything he said he is about 710 and he should be about 800 - 810... It is 12% sweet feed, I give him one scoop twice a day and I measured it a full scoop is about 4 lbs of feed. He was getting a little scoop twice a day before I got him so I slowly worked him up to a bigger scoop because I feed both of my guys with the big scoops. I'm thinking of switching him to oats but im not sure if I should? What is the best thing to have him on during the winter to keep his weight up? And then during the summer since he is out on full pasture all day I know some people don't even feed grain during the summer just hay? If you want I can post a picture of him and you can see what he looks like... his ribs show a little bit my worry is his back bone looks like it needs some substance of something around it.. it sticks out a bit too but he has a belly.. I don't get it...?
         
        09-30-2010, 04:16 PM
      #7
    Green Broke
    Personally, I'd feed him more smaller meals throughout the day. That is what we do with the Animal Control horses that are brought in. If a horse is under weight, 4 flakes at a time can be way too much.

    Some horses will take quite a bit of time to get the weight on. And you don't want to go switching food too much.

    I think your best bet is to get your vet involved so he can set up a specific plan for the horse.

    What is his breed?
         
        09-30-2010, 05:54 PM
      #8
    Foal
    He is a quarter horse.. I give him the four flakes of hay at night so he can munch on it through the night which he does he doesnt inhale it like my other horse would lol and he eats his grain very slowly too
         
        09-30-2010, 06:41 PM
      #9
    Green Broke
    Night is fine, but throughout the day it might be better to have more but smaller meals. At least that's how our vet directed our BO for weight gain, but again, consult your vet he may have a better way for your horse because he has more direct knowledge of your situation.
         
        09-30-2010, 11:54 PM
      #10
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by mjnltnmh    
    he is about 14 hh... the vet said on the scale of 1-9 he is about a 3... and he measured him and everything he said he is about 710 and he should be about 800 - 810... It is 12% sweet feed, I give him one scoop twice a day and I measured it a full scoop is about 4 lbs of feed. He was getting a little scoop twice a day before I got him so I slowly worked him up to a bigger scoop because I feed both of my guys with the big scoops. I'm thinking of switching him to oats but im not sure if I should? What is the best thing to have him on during the winter to keep his weight up? And then during the summer since he is out on full pasture all day I know some people don't even feed grain during the summer just hay? If you want I can post a picture of him and you can see what he looks like... his ribs show a little bit my worry is his back bone looks like it needs some substance of something around it.. it sticks out a bit too but he has a belly.. I don't get it...?
    Yeah, I'd ditch the sweetfeed for a start. Straight oats(pref not whole) are apparently about the safest grain for horses, but they're still starchy grain, so I would personally still be looking at healthier options & not feeding grain unless they really need it & there was no better alternative(of which there usually is). Again, especially if you are going to feed starchy feed, it is best to feed little & often, rather than only a couple of large meals, to minimise problems & maximise the goodness the horse can get out of it.

    I'm no nutritionist at all tho, having only studied it roughly, so do look into it yourself. You can find a lot of info online regarding healthy feeding & the probs with starchy/sugary feeds, but I also recommend people find a good equine nutritionist or service, so they can consult them & get the facts. I would particularly look into insulin resistance, hind gut acidosis & associated weightloss, to rule that out & avoid it. I personally subscribe to FeedXL.com which is a great service, which also has a great program for analysing & working out custom diets for individual horses.

    Regarding winter feeding, digestion of forage, not grain is what generates body heat & free choice hay is generally fine. Including some alfalfa/lucerne is generally good too. If the horse does need extra fat, mixing a bit of oil(pref cold pressed flax or such), oil seeds or such with their supplements, or including a low(or no) starch, high fat feed may be all that's needed.

    Regarding what he looks like, yeah, can't say much without pics at least, but it doesn't *necessarily* mean a horse is underweight if you can see a bit of rib. Likewise his backbone sticking up *could* be lack of muscle, rather than too thin. Having a big belly immediately makes me think worms are a possibility. I assumed you would have wormed him & had his teeth seen to, but if he did have a big worm burden, it may pay to do him a few times. Your vet should advise you there. The big belly could also be to do with digesting starch.

    Oh and regarding your other horse 'inhaling' hay, you could put it in a doubled or small holed hay net to slow him down, or look into other 'slow feeder' ideas.
         

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