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    09-06-2012, 03:28 PM
  #1
Weanling
Got a question about Cribbin.

It's highly possible that I am going to be given a horse that cribs. I know some things about cribbing, but was doing some research on it. I found that some horses crib as a result/side effect of ulcers. Have any of you ladies or men had proof of this?

I also researched ulsers, after reading that. I read something about alfalfa helping with ulsers because of the calcium in. Can anybody educate me on this as well?
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    09-06-2012, 03:59 PM
  #2
Green Broke
Lots of good info in this thread

Diets for a hard keeper?
     
    09-06-2012, 04:20 PM
  #3
Super Moderator
I'm not sure if you mean just cribbing - chewing on wood etc or windsucking by fixing its teeth onto a hard surface, sucking air in and then 'burping'
I have had windsuckers - three of them - and there was no evidence that they had ulcers before they began doing it as they all had the habit when I got them - one was a 6 month old weanling that I bought and the other two were OTTB's.
The one OTTB came to us in poor condition but that was down to neglect not ulcers and she soon gained weight and they all always kept in good condition with no sign of ulcers. I did keep them collared as much as possible
The only problem I had health wise was that two of them if left uncollared would get 'gas colic' but other than walking them around until it passed through nothing else needed to be done and it maybe happened two or three times in all the years I had them
I can see a link to ulcers - the cribbing/windsucking is also associated with stress and boredom and can cause digestive upsets that could result in over acidity. The biggest risk would be if the horse spent more time cribbing than it did eating - this was never the case with mine!!!
They are better if kept occupied with work and not stabled any more than needed to be
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    09-06-2012, 04:23 PM
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Weanling
Thank you, that thread was very informative.
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    09-06-2012, 04:33 PM
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Weanling
If I get her, she will be kept in a 16 acre pasture with my other two mares. I guess I should have included more information about her. She is a 9 y/o, 17.1hh, Appendix QH. She did race when she was younger. The guy that I'm getting her from, has given her to a couple, but they are not really taking care of her the way they were supposed to, so he is considering taking her back, and giving her to me. She is very well trained, and if I like her I may keep her and sell Fancy because the two of us have never really clicked if ya know what I mean.
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    09-06-2012, 04:34 PM
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Sorry missed the bit about the alfalfa
Over acidity is treated with calcium carbonate but I'm not sure if the calcium content in food can break down or combine to produce that. Certainly a high fibre diet is vital for horse with ulcer problems and sugar beet (non mollassed) is a great source of fibre and calcium and horses that do suffer should never be left for long periods without food
There are lots of things you can buy without prescription for ulcers now - take a look on Smartpaks website to get an idea,
I found this youtube channel that is quite helpful a while back when me mare had ulcers after being on Naproxin for a while. She was treated with Omeprazole initially and then ranitidine and I kept her on Absorbine Pro CMC for a few months afterwards. She is fine now.
     
    09-06-2012, 04:38 PM
  #7
Weanling
From my understanding there is a difference between cribbing and wind sucking. Cribbing is a horse gabbing a surface between their incisors and sucking air into their gut. Wind sick is cribbing minus grabbing something in their mouth. I may have misunderstood what I read though.
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    09-06-2012, 07:14 PM
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Green Broke
You're correct- windsucking, cribbing, and wood chewing are often lumped into one category but are each separate vices.

Studies have shown that horses that crib have a higher occurrence of ulcers. It's not definitive which causes which, however. I'm inclined to believe it's the ulcers that cause the horse to start cribbing (along with a genetic predisposition), rather than the other way around. It's an addictive behavior, though, so the cribbing can and usually does continue after the ulcers are treated, but will usually lessen.
     
    09-07-2012, 03:12 AM
  #9
Trained
I'm interested Jaydee, how you worked out ulcers hadn't been a factor with your horses? Do you mean they didn't suffer any digestive upset, such as acidosis or only ulcers were ruled out?

My knowledge about windsucking(or cribbing, as terms often used interchangeably) is largely academic. I have kept my horses with (paddocked)windsuckers for years & have seen stabled or yarded horses that were inadequately/unhealthily fed develop the problem, but other than that, I only know from studies I read/hear. It seems that it is always physical in cause, not from boredom or such, as people used to think. It's also not 'catching' & other horses don't copy the behaviour.

One study on Australian racehorses some years ago showed a huge percentage(pretty sure it was over 90% but don't quote me) of horses had ulcers and that the vast majority of those were windsuckers, and that no racehorse included in the study that was a non-windsucker had ulcers. Other studies I've seen say that acidosis causes discomfort(heartburn) which can cause horses to windsuck and also if ongoing/frequent tends to cause ulcers, among other problems.
     
    09-07-2012, 08:36 AM
  #10
Weanling
I know that it is not a catching thing. I have never owed a cribber, but had horses that lived with them, and none of mine ever picked up the habit. My biggest concern about this mare, is that she is a hard keeper, but right now her weight is ok. I know, or have ventured a guess, that I probably won't be able to feed her the Omolene 200 that I feed my other two mares. But whatever she needs, she will get.

I'm going to ask a stupid question. Sodium bicarbonate, is baking soda, correct? So, if she does have ulcers, could I sprinkle some on her feed to help with the excess acid? I'm sure the 24/7 turn out will help, but I want to make sure.
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