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        01-14-2010, 05:32 PM
    protein is alot for horses who are not very active. It's best for broodmares, young, growing horses, and horses in intensive training or competitions. Often people feed their pleasure horse a high protein feed and start having behavior problems. Quality feeds for most horses doesn't need more that 11-13% protein. I feed my growing colt this Triple Crown feed and, since he's behind in his growth, utilizes the protein and has no problems. A friend had a 4 yo gelding and was having constant rearing, dancing, charging problems and right before he sold him, realized he was feeding too high a protein.
    The 30% is just a supplement. Its not fed in as large amount as regular grain is... I fed a 32% supplement before, about 2lbs per day, as suggested. It didnt make my horse hot one bit, but it did cause her to have a loose stool.
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        01-14-2010, 06:02 PM
    Well she said bc its a 'supplement' that its supposed to fed with a feed lol. So I got all confused and was like what the heck. I've had her since 0ct 11th 2008. So its been a long long haul. She was very sick for a long time. See her on my site for the story =]

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        01-14-2010, 06:29 PM
    Rider4life - you would be correct if she was feeding a complete feed or high amounts of feed. However, she is feeding a ration balancer. They are all at about 30% protien, but you feed them at 1-2lbs per day so the horse is only getting .3-.6 lbs of protien. Compared to a 14% feed fed at 15 pounds a day 2.1 pounds protien.

    Barnprincess - It isn't a "supplement" per se. Although it is designed to meet vitamin/mineral requirements. Look at it this way. A ration balancer like your feeding is like a complete feed for vitamins/minerals. It isn't going to provide protein, fat, calories, fiber or anything other than vitamin/minerals in appreciable amounts. It's designed to be the only "feed" (or supplement if you prefer to use that language) fed to a horse that needs vitamin/mineral requirements met, but that doesn't need extra protien, fat, calories, or fiber.

    Does that all make sense?
        01-14-2010, 06:33 PM
    Yes it does. So could this be why its taking 5 months to gain any kind of weight? Should I put her on the complete? I can't afford 2 bags a week that's why I was asking about mixing it LOL. So can I or can I not mix it ? My other mare eats it at 4qts a day as she's an easy keep. So I buy it any way for her. Since gingers been on this she's not eating her mineral block any more, but lunas the opposite. She attacks her mineral block. So how much should ginger be fed of the complete with the 30% or can I not do that at all and really have to put her completley on the complete? I don't get all this haha. I do but I don't. So confusing ! I have a scale.. so I can balance it if some one tells me what she should get.

    Im really thinking about this now HAHA. I want her to gain weight.. I want to get her fat and then get her lean and muscled up. I want to put them BOTH on something where they will get the right amounts of minerals/vitamins AND fat and all that jazz. So can some one help me out here? I feel like im always given the wrong info. Im on te 30% with her b/c some one on another board said that would help her dramatically.. it did, BUT not how I was expecting.
        01-14-2010, 06:39 PM
    Couple of questions - First of all keep in mind that it takes time to gain an appreciable amount of weight. Especially if the horse is being ridden or exercised at all. 5 months seems a little long, but I don't know how skinny she was in the first place.

    How much hay is she getting?
    Is she on a regular worming schedule?
    Teeth have been floated?

    There's someone on here who has a lot of experience with mixing rations for harder keepers. I really like her "feed". I'll find her and ask her to take a look.
        01-14-2010, 06:42 PM
    MN, she's really not working at all right now. Mayyyybe once a week. Its too cold haha, she's double blanketed too , I was worried with it reaching 3 degrees at night that she'd drop more. She's eating all day timothy alfalfa hay. Really heavy bales, they are a good 75 - 80lbs each and she's eating atleast half of that a day. She's wormed regularlly and im actually getting her teeth done some time this month . If you go on that website I linked youll see how she's gained and dropped then gained and dropped. Since oct she's been gaining. That's when I started the TC and the new hay. So I lied. Its only been about 4 months. She HAS def gained.. But if this isnt what she should be on then I want to get her on the right diet.. I thought this was it lol. But now that you explained it to me im a little confused only for the fact that I didn't know it wasent for weight. I was told it would put weight on. I know I keep saying he said she said. I just want you to know what im going on.
        01-14-2010, 06:55 PM
    It's completely understandable believe me. Just like training, you'll get a MILLION different answers to a question. And most of them will be pointing fingers at each other yelling about how terrible the other person's method is. Anyways, that's great that the hay is free fed that'll that her eat as much as she wants. Alfalfa mix is good and that'll give her some extra calories. Once you get the vet out you'll know if the teeth are causing any problems.

    Look at this website, it'll help you get an idea of the proper weight for her. Henneke Body Scoring - Habitat for Horses - Equine Protection Organization - Horse Rescue, Rehabilitation, Horse Education and Adoptions

    Honestly looking at her recent pics and she doesn't look all that bad. It mostly looks like she's lacking muscle/fat along her topline. She looks a little roach backed too which is adding to that perception. If she was my horse I would keep her on the good hay, the ration balancer (the 30%), and the beet pulp for now. Maybe add in some light exercise to help work her back muscles. As she gains weight cut out the beet pulp. Give her some more time and she'll look 100% better I bet if you keep on the above diet she'll look great this spring.
        01-14-2010, 07:03 PM
    Many horse owners don't Know this and I had to find out the hard way with my rescue case. A regular worming program will not knock out parasites in a heavily infested horse. Have a fecal egg count done by your vet. I found out my poor rescue was loaded even though I had wormed him on schedule with my other horses. He had gained a lot at first. Then started loosing weight again. Once I really took care of the worms (You can use a PowerDose talk to your vet first) the weight came back and stayed and now he is beautiful and healthy. I would advise this first and foremost over spending all your extra cash on extra grain and supplements.
        01-14-2010, 07:14 PM
    I had her tested 4 times =] negative every time =].

    Okay so I should keep her at the 2lbs 30% , 6lbs beet pulp, and the all day hay , correct ? Don't add any complete what-so-ever ? I just want to make sure I understand =D

    And its been getting out of the 20s so im going to start riding her more. I've been trying to work with my other mare and leave ginger alone to gain weight. When I do ride ginger we do a lot of bending and believe it or not, collection work. She's really come a long way I can't beleive she's the same horse =].
        01-14-2010, 07:36 PM
    Exactly right: free fed hay, 2lbs 30%, and the beet pulp. If she starts losing weight add extra beet pulp or some rice bran (a little goes a LONG way). I have to say she looks amazing from where she started. Great job so far!

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