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        09-17-2009, 01:04 PM
      #21
    mls
    Trained
    Thank you Dee for the complete story !
         
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        09-17-2009, 01:17 PM
      #22
    Banned
    While I found that video extremely upsetting all rodeo's where young calves are roped is cruel. I don't feel sorry for bull or bronce riding but when a calf is chased across an arena by a 1200 pound horse and brought to an abrupt stop with a rope around the neck or leg it is cruel and we as animal lovers should be outraged.
    Horse racing 2 year olds is also cruel. So was that any more cruel then what we accept as a rodeo every day????
         
        09-17-2009, 01:55 PM
      #23
    Trained
    Consider the source of the video and the bias commentary. I watched another video by the same people where a horse broke it's leg and they tied it down, loaded it on a panel and put it in the back of a trailer. The commentator critisized every step. Accidents happen, horses break thier legs, but they get very good care and everything is done that can be done to ensure thier safety. I might be able to work up some outrage about animal rights if there were no starving PEOPLE in the world or no abused CHILDREN in the world. In my world I put humans first. What people do with thier own property is none of our business. If you don't like rodeo then don't go. People have no problem turning a blind eye to human suffering in thier own communities but can't resist telling people what they can do with thier property.
         
        09-17-2009, 02:45 PM
      #24
    Trained
    I am appalled at this video, and to connotation that ALL rodeos are bad, because of isolated incidents like this.

    I remember a rodeo one year in which a horse did injure his leg, and immediately the show was stopped, and the horse taken care of, very well I might add; the announcer even went as far as to tell us to be as quiet as possible so as not to stress the horse even more. I have not been to a rodeo, ever, where this hasn't been the case; and I would walk out of one, if the animals weren't cared for. We ask them to perform, and we owe it to them to give them the best care possible if they get hurt.

    Yes, there are people out there who perform like the video shows, but this is not the sport itself; and to say that it is, one could say that about ANY horse sport, because, folks, cruelty happens everywhere, not just the public places.
         
        09-17-2009, 02:52 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
    Question...why is the guy biting the horses ears?
    It's a form of twitching...you'll notice after he simply twisted his ear...biting is an extreme of that, and very inhumane in my book. Twitch him on the lip, sure, but the ears are much more sensitive, and can cause more long term effects.
         
        09-17-2009, 03:11 PM
      #26
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    Someone pieced together extreme situations to make a graphic video. Quote]

    Thank you MLS!!!

    PETA rears it's ugly head again - yes - UGLY!!!!!

    If the makers of this video had their way, there would be no horse shows, no horseback riding - no horses in stables - and no horses in any kind of fencing. All horses would all be running free from all human intervention.

    Horse shows - espcially those with jumping involved - would be banned because horses can (and occasionally do) get injured during a jump or landing.

    Sorry for such a long rant - but I really felt that my home state was getting slammed in some of this.

    Please be aware - the prisoners are NOT responsible for the treatment of that horse. The prisoners are not the ones who led it out on horseback. That was the RODEO COMPANY!!!!

    If the rodeo company had euthanized the horse out in the arena, people would still have been screaming for their blood. Please understand - I do not believe the situation was handled well at all, but I can tell you from the news accounts (which were NOT mentioned in the video) the trailer was moved up to block the public's view of the euthanization of the horse - AND IT WAS NOT LEFT TO SUFFER!!!!

    Rodeo stock is generally very well cared for - even the smaller rodeo companies have a lot invested in their bucking and roping stock, and take pains to see that it is well cared for. Accidents do happen - and there are occasional injuries (far more often to the human participants).

    I was at a small youth rodeo about three weeks ago. There was NO bucking stock involved (unless you count the sheep for the muttin' bustin'). One girls horse slipped and fell rounding a barrel. It injured it's leg in the fall. Was that cruelty, or an accident? The horse was led out of the arena to a trailer to be taken to the vet. Was that cruelty? I understand the horse is expected to make a full recovery - it was just some sort of mild sprain - but the horse wouldn't put any weight on it in the arena. Should he have been put down in front of all those children - before his injury had been evaluated?

    I guess my point (and rant) is that the rodeo fans and the sport of were set up in that video - which was deliberatly slanted to incite a very extreme point of view (and it obviously worked!). The incident is the exception, not the rule, and while sad and regrettable, no "sport" or show involving horses or any other animal is completely safe.

    And just to counter one other snide comment made in the video - the prisoners allowed to participate in the rodeo are not necessarily all violent offenders - and they are only allowed to participate if their behavior warrants it.
    Absolutely. I enjoy my rodeos, I'm attending one this weekend.
    I don't think that the situation regarding the horse with the broken leg was handled well at all. I would have rather seen the horse be put down swiftly right where it was rather than being made to walk out of the arena. Most rodeo outfits have a special trailer with a sled on it for that purpose.
    I think that one particular situation could have and should have been handled differently.
    There are bad seeds in every crowd, I absolutely agree with that. This video shouldn't be an end to rodeos, but perhaps better emergency preparedness for certain outfits.
    Hell, you could string together videos of jumpers being permanently lamed from taking a jump wrong and have people calling for blood for that as well.
    The thing is to learn from these experiences, handle the situation better. I am still sick to my stomach that the horse was dragged out on a broken leg or two; they could have handled that much better.

    While we're at it, can we go after Charro horses, "big lick" Walkers that have been sored, dressage horses being made to Rollkur, jumpers being subjected to soring and rapping...
         
        09-17-2009, 03:14 PM
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    Originally Posted by mom2pride    
    1) I am appalled at this video, and to connotation that ALL rodeos are bad, because of isolated incidents like this.

    2) I remember a rodeo one year in which a horse did injure his leg, and immediately the show was stopped, and the horse taken care of, very well I might add; the announcer even went as far as to tell us to be as quiet as possible so as not to stress the horse even more. I have not been to a rodeo, ever, where this hasn't been the case; and I would walk out of one, if the animals weren't cared for. We ask them to perform, and we owe it to them to give them the best care possible if they get hurt.

    3) Yes, there are people out there who perform like the video shows, but this is not the sport itself; and to say that it is, one could say that about ANY horse sport, because, folks, cruelty happens everywhere, not just the public places.
    1) Absolutely.
    2) That's what makes me mad about this video, is the way the situation was handled. It could have been handled SO much better.
    3) Yes.
         
        09-17-2009, 03:30 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    Lets not also forget that this stuff dosen't happen during every rodeo out there. It is actually pretty rare for a calf to get a broken neck from roping, and other critters breaking there legs.

    I've worked at three different rodeos over the recent years, and just wanted to also add that when a cowboy is being a bit to 'rough' other ones won't let him get away with it. They will harrass that cowboy to be gentler and stuff. Its not like its a free-for-all out there.
         
        09-17-2009, 03:43 PM
      #29
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    Originally Posted by dee    
    If the makers of this video had their way, there would be no horse shows, no horseback riding - no horses in stables - and no horses in any kind of fencing. All horses would all be running free from all human intervention.
    I don't think that was an intention of the video to ban ALL rodeos or (worse) show/sport. It's just about THAT particular place. The way people handle the situation and treat animals on THAT particular arena is just NOT right. Of course things happen, but some places are just s...s (excuse my French). Same with some boarding facilities, certain owners, trainers, etc. etc. etc. And if it happens people have to speak up.

    P.S. No offense to anyone here but I really dislike PETA for certain things they do.
         
        09-17-2009, 04:06 PM
      #30
    Foal
    I did start to cry when I watched this. I grew up watching rodeo, I had very close friends on the rodeo team in college. And overall, yea these horses and other livestock, pretty well have it good. Think about it, a bronc or bull works an 8 second shift, lol.

    I agree that this was NOT handled properly. Why hide the horse? In my opinion (especially as this is a prison rodeo), it would seem to show them as more, aniamsl friendly (etc), if they were to help the poor guy immediately. To me it's just the right thing to do. People have to deal with putting dogs, cats, horses down when they're time has come, and not let them suffer from cancer or something. I don't see how this is any different. If a cowboy (or inmate in this case) were to have a broken arm and leg, they would treat him immdediately, they would get a stretcher, not let the guy have to try and hop around. Why not the four legged rodeo contestants? Whether they put him down after the trailer was in place, who know, this biased video doesn't show that. But I did clearly see them whip him. He's in enough pain and totally scared as it is. Why do that?

    I've been to big redeos, i've been to the daddy of 'em all! And I HIGHLY doubt seeing anything like this there. I guess I would want to write to the sponsors, and make sure this really is a place they want their name associated with.

    Yes animal cruelty is everywhere. But some are more severe cases than others. When my horse tries to drag me around or run me over, I whack him with the end of the lead rope. Does that make me cruel? I gues my point is that this was handled poorly! It didn't happen because no one knew (they clearly did, they hid him), it wasn't just someone whackin a horse with a rope. This was a horse in severe pain (if you watch, that front swings, ACK)...no one or thing deserves to end their existance in this manner...
         

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