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    12-06-2009, 03:13 AM
  #11
Weanling
Nasty lol. But I have seen much worse.

I personally think winter is the best time (if there is such a thing) to get wounds like this. As you don't need to worry about flies and dust and such getting in there....less chance of infection due to insects.

Clean it out w/betadine scrub or other antiseptic. I personally would have got it stitched, but seeing its been more than 24hrs, that wont be possible now.
Keeping it clean is the most important thing. You may want to give your horse some penicillin for the next 3 days or so (if your comfortable giving IM shots) if not Tribrissron (sulfatrim) is effective too, this can be fed orally in feed.

Is your horse up to date on Tetanus?

With it being on the hip wrapping it wont work, but its better to leave wounds open if you can. They do tend to heal faster, and less chance of gauze/bandages pulling off healed flesh from dried blood etc.
There is a product called CUT HEAL...its just like it sounds, heals cuts...but from the inside out, so it doesnt promote proud flesh, and it encourages hair regrowth.... I love the stuff. Works great!!
     
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    12-06-2009, 03:22 AM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by whatarush43    
well that's going to leave a mark.....lol but all kidding aside you will all thank im full of horse pucky but im putting 2 cents in. Any way I had an old indian tell me on a fresh wound like that I aint kidding about this. He told me to pack it with sugar to start leave it for a day then clean it with viniger real good then put honey on it and rap it. The sugar puts a glaze on the flesh and the apple cider viniger cleans it with alot less sting than detadine. The honey has natural bacteria that helps in heeling. And in the summer shake pepper on it to keep the flies away. I wouldnt beleave it if I didnt see it myself.
I think you have a great method whatarush! I wrote a big response, but my computer timed out. I'm not a tree hugger, but I believe that when it comes to patching up, nourishing, or caring for an organic being, the answer should be organic. The Apple cider vinegar acts as a disinfectant, the honey serves as a protective coating, and it keeps the moisture in the healthy tissue. Just make sure to remove the dead tissue to ensure the wound has a proper start to healing, otherwise it will suffocate the healthy tissue causing an accumulation of cell growth->ugly scarring and prolonged healing period.
Also make sure to clean the wound daily as the high sugar content could feed bacteria.

A wound that is deep should be covered as best as possible so it doesn't collect debris/bacteria which may cause infection.

I found a great bit of info on sugar treatment for wounds at http://www.smtl.co.uk/WMPRC/DressingsTimes/vol3.2.txt

Quoted from above "The authors noted near complete debridement followed by the rapid formation of granulation tissue and eradication of bacterial infection after an average of 7.6 days of treatment."

In short, the sugar clears out dead tissue and debris and creates an environment for quick cell reproduction, the ACV disinfects and conditions, and the honey provides a barrier that keeps moisture in and bacteria out!

Great feedback whatarush, and Good luck Tif!!
     
    12-06-2009, 04:14 AM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by Maverick101    
I personally think winter is the best time (if there is such a thing) to get wounds like this. As you don't need to worry about flies and dust and such getting in there....less chance of infection due to insects.

Clean it out w/betadine scrub or other antiseptic. I personally would have got it stitched, but seeing its been more than 24hrs, that wont be possible now.
Keeping it clean is the most important thing. You may want to give your horse some penicillin for the next 3 days or so (if your comfortable giving IM shots) if not Tribrissron (sulfatrim) is effective too, this can be fed orally in feed.

Is your horse up to date on Tetanus?

With it being on the hip wrapping it wont work, but its better to leave wounds open if you can. They do tend to heal faster, and less chance of gauze/bandages pulling off healed flesh from dried blood etc.
There is a product called CUT HEAL...its just like it sounds, heals cuts...but from the inside out, so it doesnt promote proud flesh, and it encourages hair regrowth.... I love the stuff. Works great!!
I totally agree, winter is perfect! Even the temperature outside probably kept the blood loss to a minimum. It may even keep the wound somewhat "fresh", meaning that the flesh won't die as quickly.

On the other hand though, there is an obvious strip of hide missing. Stitches would result in tearing or bunching of the skin and would be unadvisable. This horse would be in a lot of pain/discomfort and more damage would have been done if someone attempted to stitch the wound.

Covering the wound would encourage healing to start on the inside. When a shallow wound is left open, the surface dries out creating a self-made bandaid which is great! Leaving a deep wound open however is potentially going to prolong the healing period as air can penetrate deeper and create that "bandaid" barrier inside of the wound. This can cause ******ation of the healing process leaving a nasty scar, permanent hair loss, and an overall displeasing outcome.

In this case, I don't think the wound is so much deep as wide, so a wide range antibiotic, regular cleaning, and possibly a vaseline (or honey) coating to keep it moist in this dry weather should be fine.
     
    12-06-2009, 12:24 PM
  #14
Weanling
AlbertaHighCountry.....Most vets will tell you that the main reason a wound is wrapped, is too keep it clean, and free of flies and other insects/ Air can one of the best things you can do to encourage healing....helps keep it dry. Obviously some wounds will need to be wrapped dependent upon severity of injury obtained. Area of incident. But a wound of that size in the area it is, is fine left open.

But in most cases, if a wound can be left (such as this one) its best. Due to where it is and time of year, chance of infection due to debris, heat (breeds infection), and flies is at a minimum. Wounds on lower legs are generally wrapped due to higher increase of getting dirty, horses fussing w/wound, and increased movement. Wounds on feet (obviously due to high risk of debris)

As for stitching...stitching is also done to ensure less debris in wound, and to prevent or limit scarring. A good vet would be able to stitch that. Also its hard to tell if that hide is missing, or just elasticated back due to the wound. In any case it doesn't matter, as its too late now .

At any rate, its always best to check w your vet if unsure, as they will know best based on their first hand evaluation of the wound.

Tree-Tree oil is another amazing product for wounds.
     
    12-06-2009, 12:42 PM
  #15
Showing
Personally I think you should do what your able and try not to worry about it. I know that sounds bad but in your condition and with the weather the way it is, I don't think you have a choice. Sorry, I know that's not what you want to hear have the vet out when and if you can.
     
    12-06-2009, 01:42 PM
  #16
Trained
Well I actually swear by Dermagel (skin regenerating Gel) and Cut Heal (which actually has a good amount of Tea Tree Oil In it.

Mavrick, there was a huge check on hide (and musle missing) a found it attached to the latch on the shelter where she fell. I did forward pictures of the wound onto a mobile vet (not my own vet, but mine was out of office) and she said that it can't be stitched, and she wouldn't reccommned it becuase of how deep the wound is. She suggest keeping it open to promote healing from the inside out.

Thanks for all the great responses guys! I am going to take all this into consideration while caring for this wound.

As of right now. I will be giving her some LA Pencillian, cleaning the wound with standexidine and applying Cut Heal to keep it mousturized(it's aleady dried out way to much with the 50km/hour winds that we are having)

Regardless stitching was NEVER an option as there is NO WAY I could have gotten her to a vet or a vet could have gotten here until well after the injury had happened. There were literally 6 foot drifts of snow on the driveway and road.

Vida, thanks! As of right now that is sort of what I've done. I contacted and talked to the vet and gave her bute. That's about it. I have to take both of my human babies into consideration right now (my three year old and the one in my belly) Today will be sedating her and cleaning the wound (she is a bad kicker right now) The vet says she is not at all worried about this wound, and to be honest I'm not really either. It's nasty looking, and it probably will leave a nasty scar but that's it. It will heal and she probably won't have any issues.
     
    12-07-2009, 02:13 AM
  #17
Weanling
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Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch    

Mavrick, there was a huge check on hide (and musle missing) a found it attached to the latch on the shelter where she fell. I did forward pictures of the wound onto a mobile vet (not my own vet, but mine was out of office) and she said that it can't be stitched, and she wouldn't reccommned it becuase of how deep the wound is. She suggest keeping it open to promote healing from the inside out.

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Lol well yes finding a huge chunk of flesh on the gate is helpful lol. Oh horses.

Yeah kinda hard to tell from pictures just what your looking at. The wound didn't look all that deep, just quite wide.

I wasn't aware Cut Heal had tea tree in it...I just know the stuff is amazing!

And I agree leaving it open to heal from inside out is best w most wounds.

And yes, I'm sure your horse will be just fine.....as they say "that wound is a long ways away from the heart"
     

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