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Grass Grazing vs. Bailed Hay Feeding Question

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#1 ·
I recently bought 6 horses who will arrive to our farm in 3 weeks. I have dealt a lot with horses, but have never been in charge of their feeding routine. I am also in Nicaragua where I don't know much about the nutritional facts on the available pasture grass. I will keep my horses in their stalls over night and out in pasture for about 3 hours per day until we get the arena built and then they will work about 1.5 hours/day. I am wondering if concentrated pellets and pasture grass is enough or if they will also need some type of hay in their stalls for when it is in between feeding time and pasture time. My concern is that with pellets and 3-4 hours a day of grazing, extra hay will make them fat. Any information would be much appreciated. I guess my main question is whether or not pasture grazing replaced hay or not?
 
#2 ·
When my horses are on pasture they get no hay but they are out 24/7 then. I still feed a pelleted feed year round and add a vitamin mineral supplement from July till they are back on pasture in the spring. Our grasses lose nutritional value in the late summer, and they are on hay in the winter. I would suggest keeping an eye on their weight, if they appear to be dropping weight you may need to keep them on pasure a while longer or add hay.
 
#3 ·
If you have enough grass then there is nothing better, if there in at night and working an hour or two a day I would try giving them a scoop of feed in the morning and one at night, they shouldn't need hay if you have enough grass, but remember grass doesn't grow in the winter, if you have horses then you should always have some hay.
 
#5 ·
feeding

Our horses rarely get any grain or other concentrated feed, They have access to pasture nearly constantly and get hay when the pasture is recovering. I have found that I don't like the attitudes my horses get when they are fed grain. They are much nicer animals when they have to find their own food. :wink:

I would recommend feeding as much good quality hay as they want when they are not on pasture. This not only provides nutrition, but also activity so that they don't get as bored and develop bad habits. Monitor their weight as you begin working them (a height/weight tape is a great tool) and start to add grain if the begin losing weight.
 
#6 ·
I've had horses off and on for years. The most that I've had at once was five and I currently own two.
None of that makes me an expert by any stretch, but........ I have learned from experience what works well for me and mine.

To my way of thinking, hay is basicly just dried grass.
Having said that though, I do know that the two do have different properties and are not fully interchangable as to diet. So what I do is........feed a little hay daily to go along with the pasture-grass they are getting. Doing that seems to aid the transition from grass to hay, as the grass dies off during winter.
One doesn't want to make abrupt diet changes, even though the cost-factor of feeding hay(and/or feed) all year around may tempt one to do so.
And beings how you limit yours to 3 hours of grazing a day, I doubt that adding a little hay each day will make them fat. Besides, even if it does, a bit of added exercise will cure that.

I'm also a big believer in vitamin and mineral suppliments.
Mine get theirs through the feed-mix I use, which is divided-up into 2 feedings a day.
Given the fact that plant-eaters(as opposed to canavores) must get all their minerals from the plants they eat....and...given the fact that soil gets depleated of it's mineral content rather quickly....and....given the fact that most fertilizers contain little or no mineral-boosters.... I see no way that pasture grass(or hay) alone can provide anything close to a balanced diet.

On the other hand, I'm in S/E Texas and you are in Nicaragua.
You may have much better grass than we do and/or other factors involved which I would not be aware of.

Hope this helps.
DGW
 
#7 ·
i agree with the above post.

my horses have very little grass to graze on thanks to the drought so they get a 24/7 supply of hay in the form of a big round bale. i wouldnt have it any other way. i prefer them to have a non stop supply as they are horses after all and basically need at least 16 hours a day of grazing to fulfill what they would get in the wild. there are times when there is a little more grass and in these cases i provide a little less hay but still making sure they can basically graze as they want.

i also am a huuuuuge believer in supplements. i feed equilibrium b1 mix as a supplement and its fantastic. its a COMPLETE supplement even providing electrolytes and it shows in many ways in the horses condition.

in short (guess its too late for that lol) unless you have a whole lot of grass for them to graze, i would add extra hay. my guys get the equivalent of a bale of hay a day. plus, hard feeds with their supplements. as long as there is enough grazing and they have supplements to cover what they arent getting from their hay/grass etc they should be fine :) as earlier said, if they get too fat you can feed them a little less or of you have them grazing you can either cut down grazing time or increase exercise. if they arent gaining any weight or losing it then you will need to up the amount of grass/hay that they get.

good luck with it all :)
 
#8 ·
well to me there is noting better than grass, thats what they eat in the wild isnt it lol....i would say what you are doin is fine but dont worrie about the hay just let them eat there grass and give then about a scoop of pellets at night just to keep them happy coz they work during the day so its just a little supliment....if you have plenty of grass just let them eat that and save your hay u might need it sooner than you think
 
#9 ·
jofielder7,

The main thing to remember is horses are designed to eat a often, unlike people, dogs and cats. Grazing animals do best when they have hay/grass available nearly 24/7. Meaning they do rest/sleep etc. so they can go a few hours without feed.

So, if you can leave them out on pasture all day rather than only a few hours AND your grass is good then that is best.. IF you cannot do that then when they are inside they need to have hay given to them to replace the grazing they are not doing. Make sense?

Of course you will need to keep an eye on them to ensure they are not gaining excessively or losing weight. Adjust their hay/grazing etc accordingly. :)
 
#10 ·
I had my horses on hay 24/7. In 2 months they look pregnant (ended up consulting vet). But they were just fat (I worked with them almost every day though and cut-off grain). After I moved them to my place I feed 3-4 times a day (I go with square bales, as round bale for 2 horses is way too much). And they are still rather fat.
 
#11 ·
kitten_Val,

I fully understand what you are saying. My appy was the easiest keeper when he was dry lotted with nothing to do all day BUT eat.. Still was an easy keeper out on 20 acres of rough pasture(not rich grass, just pasture).. But at least he had to move around to eat then. LOL

In winter I feed twice a day. I put enough hay out that I think they will clean up and not waste it. They are still on the 20 acres tho and they like to browse.. Bad weather, more hay.

Everybody has to adjust to their needs. All the tips we give will help the OP figure out what to do in her/his case..

:) I love forums...
 
#12 ·
Yeh, good point, Appyt. in fact it depends a lot on hay. Last year the loss was ~10 % (they toss it all around and pee on it even sometime). This year they eat all of it. Other people in my area said the same thing - horses clean up all hay. And it looks different from last year hay too (came from same supplier). I'm thinking about getting one round bale for Feb though when it's cold around. But don't know yet - they were fat even in winter time last winter having hay all the time. I'm not sure about when they sleep, but my younger one looks like never stopped to chew on hay even in rain and snow (besides time I brought her out to work). :)
 
#13 ·
in fact it depends a lot on hay

True. Stemmy hay isn't as palatable or as nutritious. And it causes that Hay Gut..

I've heard of people using round bales but limiting the time the horses can access it. I know one put it inside a round pen? or something like that. Depends on the number of horses and their ability to get along as to the size. ;) Always "it depends" lol[/i]
 
#14 ·
Appyt said:
in fact it depends a lot on hay

True. Stemmy hay isn't as palatable or as nutritious. And it causes that Hay Gut..

I've heard of people using round bales but limiting the time the horses can access it. I know one put it inside a round pen? or something like that. Depends on the number of horses and their ability to get along as to the size. ;) Always "it depends" lol[/i]
i limit access to my round bales. at first i was letting them go for it whenever they wanted but that was when i first got them and they were severely undernourished and skinny. now we have made up a device that is kinda like a huuuuge hay net made from steel lol they still have 24/7 access but they can eat much less and much slower than when they have easy access. and this way they dont stand in it, pee on it or waste any as this was a big problem for a while. while some horses might not leave any waste, mine wont eat the last bits that are in the dirt or whatever so i was constantly throwing out a lot of hay.

another thing i have contemplated doing as the huuge hay net thingy works great but is a pain, is just putting out a bale or two worth a day. the main reason for the round bales though is that they are so much cheaper than buying bales. we get ours for $75 and a single bale is $20-25 here so it just isnt worth doing it any other way.
 
#15 ·
Jazzy do they have round bale feeders in Australia ? Thats what I use, but I do have to go out every day with a pitch fork and pick up hay that has fallen out and put it back in. It looks like this.




Old picture Shiloh was still a baby, but you get the idea. This is my favorite feeder made out of plastic pvc type pipe. Very light weight and easy for me to move around.
 
#16 ·
I just wanted to add to the above posts that what KIND of grass the horses are getting is important to consider. Even if you can't have it nutritionally anaylized, certain types of grasses are richer than others.

Pasture that is lush green and full of aflafa, clover and fescue are a founder case waiting to happen. Horse thrive on mixed grasses of variying nutritional quality. They need lots of bulk available, yes, but be sure it's the right kind. A mix is much more satisfying than a single type plant in the whole pasture. Same with hay. Timothy is a great hay,but if that's all the horse eats, there is an imbalance. So try to get mixed grass hays and just remember to watch when the grass is in a lush stage.

Also, in lush pastures, the horse not only is packing in extra rich food per bite, he's not traveling very far to get it, so a "rough" pasture often times is better than what we consider a good one. The harder they have to work to find their food, the better. It's good exercise and good for their mental health.

You should be careful about over supplementing as well. Supplements are concentrates and feeding too much of something can block their absorption of something else that even if it's in the diet, the body may not get to use it, and you know where it goes..and that's wasted money. Just something to keep in mind.
 
#17 ·
Vidaloco said:
Jazzy do they have round bale feeders in Australia ? Thats what I use, but I do have to go out every day with a pitch fork and pick up hay that has fallen out and put it back in. It looks like this.




Old picture Shiloh was still a baby, but you get the idea. This is my favorite feeder made out of plastic pvc type pipe. Very light weight and easy for me to move around.
they do have something like that here but they cost an absolute fortune :) we are constantly trying to think of new ways to do it :) at the moment, im thinking of buying a whole bunch of hay nets and hanging them all around the place. still not perfectly ideal but it would be easier than how we are doing it at the moment :)
 
#18 ·
3 hours of grazing a day isn't a lot of grazing. I have mine on grass but keep a close eye on the grass and their weight. I am also fairly generous with hay because it is good for a horses digestion-- they need the roughage and the chewing to be happy. Like it was mentioned before horses digestion systems are not designed to take in rich food in larger quantities so the hay pread out over 24 hours is much easier on their digestive system than 2 feedings of grain a day and limited grazing. If anything in your situation I would cut back on pellets and give hay. then when the grass is gone I would graduallya dd in pellets.
 
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