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    11-09-2011, 10:25 AM
  #11
Showing
The first thing I would do, after you've ruled out the physical, is to change her hay.

You didn't say how much time per day she gets under saddle or how much turn out time she gets. It could be that she isn't getting enough and, coupled with high energy hay, she may need more outside time.
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    11-09-2011, 11:07 PM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
If everything else is ruled out,
I would try a magnesium supplement... takes a while to kick in, maybe three weeks or so but REALLY helped my TBx!!

Also, banana skins are good for stomach ulcers, but try and buy as organic as possible.. nasty chemicals otherwise!!

Thanks for the tips on magnesium & banana skins (never knew about the bananas!). I've thought about adding the magnesium but didn't want to throw in 3 new supplements at once - plus I wouldn't know what is working and what wasn't! Lol If the digestive aids don't work in the next month or so, I'll try the magnesium. Lol
     
    11-10-2011, 11:33 AM
  #13
Foal
Alfalfa hay for a horse with no turnout 3x's a day....I guess for some horses that would be ok. I had a quar/arab mare that went bullistic for a while as the training facility had her on alfalfa. Once she got switched off to bermuda hay, it did tend to take the edge off.
I am dealing with a crabby, shrieking QH mare myself who was as steady and sweet as they come till she went in season 2 weeks ago, hasn't been the same since, and there seems to be no reason.
Personally, I think geldings rock.
Hope you find a solution for your horse.
Alfalfa probably has nothing to do with her problems but I thought it might be worth mentioning any way.
     
    11-10-2011, 01:00 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
Back pain ruled out? Scoped for ulcers? Blood work done?

I saw someone else mention awhile back that they had a TWH gelding with similar problems; they figured out it was a food allergy after changing his diet and noticing a marked improvement in his temperament. I doubt things like that are common, but it just goes to show you never know...

Going off what bubba13 said a diet change may be needed. If she has stomach issues or seems abnormally gassy it could be that there is too much Alfalfa for her. My stallion's stomach upsets very easily and colicked on alfalfa. He has to be on strict timothy grass hay due to the protein and sugar content. If she is stalled constantly with minimal turn out then that will also add to the problem because she is not out moving around constantly. Unfortunately the horse digesitve system is no feat in engineering and requires constant food consumption and movement to maintain healthy gut flora. Alfalfa tends to make horses gassy due to the higher protein content of it and some horses just can't handle it that well. There could also be an issue with the amount of sugar in the hay. Again some horses are more prone to upset stomach for high amounts of sugar.
     
    11-10-2011, 01:05 PM
  #15
Started
Rule out pain of course first. Have her teeth been checked? Could it just be she has a really bad hormone cycle? Try changing around things in her diet that you recently started feeding her, if you added anything within a month or so. Does her hay look or smell different? Have you started her on a new grain? Have you been getting hay from a different farmer/store?
     
    11-10-2011, 01:14 PM
  #16
Yearling
I just somewhat skimmed over everything but here are my two cents.

Have you tried turning her out for a day?

I have personally known two horses that didn't like being stalled. One was so miserable in his stall that he would lunge out and bite you (or at least try) if you even walked by too close. However, once he was outside, he was an angle.

Another would get very uptight and moody when being stalled and I could tell the difference when riding him.

Keep in mind that both of these horses got daily turn out and, when they were inside, had beautiful 12x12 stalls and top notch care. They just preferred to be outside 24/7.
     
    11-10-2011, 06:02 PM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by caseymyhorserocks    
Rule out pain of course first. Have her teeth been checked? Could it just be she has a really bad hormone cycle? Try changing around things in her diet that you recently started feeding her, if you added anything within a month or so. Does her hay look or smell different? Have you started her on a new grain? Have you been getting hay from a different farmer/store?
She just had her teeth floated in August right after I got her, so that is not an issue. I just made the changes in her diet after that week of major nastiness. She's been better the last couple of days so I think that it is helping a bit. I'll have to wait a bit before I start making changes again to see if it really is working or not. All the feeds the barn chooses are consistently high quality and from the same supplier, so don't think it is that.

It very well could be hormones, I know she is 'marish' but this is kind of extreme!
     
    11-10-2011, 06:09 PM
  #18
Foal
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Originally Posted by Arksly    
I just somewhat skimmed over everything but here are my two cents.

Have you tried turning her out for a day?

I have personally known two horses that didn't like being stalled. One was so miserable in his stall that he would lunge out and bite you (or at least try) if you even walked by too close. However, once he was outside, he was an angle.

Another would get very uptight and moody when being stalled and I could tell the difference when riding him.

Keep in mind that both of these horses got daily turn out and, when they were inside, had beautiful 12x12 stalls and top notch care. They just preferred to be outside 24/7.

I would LOVE to be turning her out, but unfortunately there is Zero turnout at the facilities I'm at. Where I am at in Southern California doesn't have much else to choose from either... There are 'sunning pens' which are essentially just a 12x12 box stall outside and you can put them out in the rings for a max 15 minutes. I make sure she gets out once if not twice a day.

I've thought about her attitude potentially being form the stall, but she isn't an angel when she comes out... She actually gets pretty nervous being out and to me seems eager to get back to her stall. She was picked on a lot by other horses because her previous owners kept a grazing muzzle on her and she couldn't defend herself. They said it was pretty bad and one pasture she was in wasn't able to get to the water. I have no idea how the previous barn or owners let this happen, and it's all hearsay, but that's what I've been told.

I think the alfalfa hay might be part of the problem. What would you recommend as the best diet; bermuda, orchard, alfalfa or timothy? Or a combination of any of those?
     
    11-10-2011, 06:14 PM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by olympustraining    
I would LOVE to be turning her out, but unfortunately there is Zero turnout at the facilities I'm at. Where I am at in Southern California doesn't have much else to choose from either... There are 'sunning pens' which are essentially just a 12x12 box stall outside and you can put them out in the rings for a max 15 minutes. I make sure she gets out once if not twice a day.

I've thought about her attitude potentially being form the stall, but she isn't an angel when she comes out... She actually gets pretty nervous being out and to me seems eager to get back to her stall. She was picked on a lot by other horses because her previous owners kept a grazing muzzle on her and she couldn't defend herself. They said it was pretty bad and one pasture she was in wasn't able to get to the water. I have no idea how the previous barn or owners let this happen, and it's all hearsay, but that's what I've been told.

I think the alfalfa hay might be part of the problem. What would you recommend as the best diet; bermuda, orchard, alfalfa or timothy? Or a combination of any of those?

If you can get timothy I would start there you could possibly mix a little bit of alfalfa in it to keep at least a portion of the nutrients but if she's anything like my stud and the alfalfa really is the problem you may be better off with straight timothy.
     
    11-10-2011, 06:19 PM
  #20
Showing
Perhaps cut back on a lot of the extras and see what she is like on just hay. She may have energy she doesn't know how to contain so displays it as crankiness.
     

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