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post #11 of 64 Old 11-13-2012, 03:06 PM
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I have no clue if stockingup is part of foundering. All he gets for feed is hay that's grass and timothy mix. And a 1/2 pound of oats once a day. Farrier thought the stockingup was do to him not moving much. Farrier didnt see bruising so I don't know what to think guess if it just happened it might not be visable yet.
OP: by the time you see a bruise( unless it is on a white foot) it is old.

Is your horse overweight? (increased risk of founder)

My horse had shoes on the fronts and when the ground became frozen and rutted we had to put pads along with his regular shoes on all four.

However,it is always better to be safe than sorry and treat this like a founder case. Although I truly hope that isn't the case :(


Jaydee: according to the OP the horse has just shoes on the hinds (pads and shoes are on the fronts).

Horses CAN get abscesses and bruises even with shoes on. Once the
Ground gets hard and rutted it doesn't matter if the horse is shod if the hard rutted ground is poking a tender spot that the shoe isn't covering.

(last year my horse developed a stone bruise that turned into an abscess in his hind even though he had shoes on all four hoofs)

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post #12 of 64 Old 11-13-2012, 03:09 PM
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I doubt this is stone bruising on both hind feet at the same time severe enough to make the horse not want to walk.

Why are you feeding oats? When you said on a scale of 1 to 10 he was a 6 does that mean his weight? The body scale only goes to 9 so that would put him pretty overweight at which feeding oats is not good. Too much added sugars.
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OP: by the time you see a bruise( unless it is on a white foot) it is old.

Is your horse overweight? (increased risk of founder)

My horse had shoes on the fronts and when the ground became frozen and rutted we had to put pads along with his regular shoes on all four.

However,it is always better to be safe than sorry and treat this like a founder case. Although I truly hope that isn't the case :(


Jaydee: according to the OP the horse has just shoes on the hinds (pads and shoes are on the fronts).

Horses CAN get abscesses and bruises even with shoes on. Once the
Ground gets hard and rutted it doesn't matter if the horse is shod if the hard rutted ground is poking a tender spot that the shoe isn't covering.

(last year my horse developed a stone bruise that turned into an abscess in his hind even though he had shoes on all four hoofs)
p.S Digital Pulse does NOT= founder. Digital Pulse= Inflammation or soreness. My horse had a digital pulse with bruising and abscess.

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sorry, I didn't want to add another post to the end of this. I was trying to edit my already existing post above. *embarassed* :(

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poppy1356 the scale of being a 6 was for lameness not weight. He's a body score of 4.5 so no he not over weight. And yes he's has foundered there was some rotation on both hinds. Will post more later have to much to do right now have a dog just home from surgery and now my horse. Iam very very busy at the moment.Will give more detail in am. Thank you everyone for the post so far iam just in over whelmed with whats going on.
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Did the vet give any idea why he foundered? I'm very curious since this is the hinds and not the fronts.

Hope he heals up nicely.
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Well, I called it and am very sorry to have been right.

As I said.. it is atypical to founder behind and assuming he pulls through this you will need to try to find out why. Once a horse founders he is prone to do it again especially if there is an underlying medical situation that needs to be treated.

It could also be the feed (mold spores, blister beetles etc.)

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Well when the vet came both hind hoofs were quite hot to the touch. Like I said there is rotation on both hoofs not bad but its there. Having to ice his feet several times a day plus keep him deeply bedded in shavings.As to the cause vet really didnt know she looked at the hay I feed and said that shouldnt be the cause. She thought possibly the oats iam feeding could be the problem but that is just a shot in the dark. He's on bute twice a day 2grams each time plus farrier has to come back to do his feet but vet needs to be here too. Not sure how this will all turnout vet thinks he should pull through. But also said it he could go down hill in a big hurry she also wants me to keep a close eye on the front feet too. He's doing a little better this AM not as painfull but those hoofs are still on the hot side so already soaked in ice water. Vet will be back later today she's thinking he's possibly IR. He was very over weight earlier this year and I had to work the crap right out of him to get him trimmed down.Hopefully we will find out why but for now he's on limited hay and no grain vet said weight wise he's a bit thin. But said better thin then to fat and if he loses more it wont be the end of the world. But right now my goal is to get those feet cooled down so I need to get out again to soak those hoofs.
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IR is certainly possible.. as is Cushing's if he is really an easy keeper.

Your Vet sounds knowledgeable and I wish you the absolute best outcome in this. Keep the ice going.. (some used to stand the horse in a pond with a muddy bottom). Hay only and if the hay is not very nutrient rich that is even better.

I am so sorry you and your horse are going through this.

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Vet just left she's very concerned about those hind hoofs theres still very hot and iv been icing him every hour on the hour. Barrowed some soaking boots so he's standing with those on with ice and cold water. Vet was going to take more Xrays but had to leave had a emergency call. So will be back this eveing to take more Xrays said she wont charge me a farm call for todays visits. Now he wanting to lay down more so that's also a huge worry vet gave him iv pain meds when she was here. He was very painfull and not wanting to stay standing. He's standing up now not sure how long that will last. Will find more out later with new set of Xrays vets worried that coffen bone is rotatting more. So were in serous need of some jingles here. This is going the wrong way right now.
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