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        11-14-2012, 03:41 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    You and the vet need to figure out what is causing it. If it's getting worse after the oats have been pulled there might be something still triggering it.
         
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        11-14-2012, 03:53 PM
      #22
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    The vet is she had me stop feeding current hay. And replace it with diffrent hay neighbors have just plain grass hay so got a few bales from them. Sending my hay to be tested to find out what up with that. I hope its not my hay cuasing this I have a barn full. She's also going to run a full blood panel to see if theres anything there causing problems.All I know is were already up to 600 dollars in vet bills and counting.
         
        11-14-2012, 03:56 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    Good, you have a good vet that is covering all the bases. It could be the hay, if it happens to be high in sugar. You can soak your hay to get excess sugars out too.
         
        11-15-2012, 07:50 AM
      #24
    Green Broke
    Again, I am so very sorry.

    Founder is just the worst thing. I know lots have horses where they manage it after the horse has had a bout.. but it is still just so awful and I am so very sorry you are dealing with this.

    I truly am heartsick for you and your horse and I have sent a request to the "Man Upstairs" to help you out....
         
        11-15-2012, 09:20 AM
      #25
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    Sorry to hear that he does indeed have some form of laminitis but it sounds as if you have a good vet who's covering all the options and not taking any chances.
    Afraid the bills do add up but the initial ones are higher and will reduce a lot once you have a diagnosis and a treatment regime that hopefully will focus more on management and less on medication once he's stabilised
         
        11-15-2012, 09:55 AM
      #26
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    Heres another update vet was back late evening did another set of Xrays as suspected more rotation. Vet advised me to soak his hay an hour before feeding so that's what iam doing. Hoofs still on the hot side spent all night soaking in ice water every hour on the hour for 15 to 20 minutes. He's a bit cooler hoof wise but not enough to stop icing his hoofs. Vet will be back late morning to check on him she's afaid those coffen bones could punch through the sole. Not sure he's going to pull through this or not right now iam just too darn tired to worry about. He is standing this morning so guess that's good but he's not comfortable on those feet. Vet said to give 3 grams of bute in the mornings because he is so painfull. Started him on ucler gaurd too stressed horse equals ulcers id say he's pretty stressed right now.Iam stressed myself can't hardly eat my stomach is just in a knot. Well need to get almost time to soak those hot hoofs again.No results on the blood work yet should have them here tomorrow.
         
        11-15-2012, 11:52 AM
      #27
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    Originally Posted by spirit88    
    Heres another update vet was back late evening did another set of Xrays as suspected more rotation. Vet advised me to soak his hay an hour before feeding so that's what iam doing. Hoofs still on the hot side spent all night soaking in ice water every hour on the hour for 15 to 20 minutes. He's a bit cooler hoof wise but not enough to stop icing his hoofs. Vet will be back late morning to check on him she's afaid those coffen bones could punch through the sole. Not sure he's going to pull through this or not right now iam just too darn tired to worry about. He is standing this morning so guess that's good but he's not comfortable on those feet. Vet said to give 3 grams of bute in the mornings because he is so painfull. Started him on ucler gaurd too stressed horse equals ulcers id say he's pretty stressed right now.Iam stressed myself can't hardly eat my stomach is just in a knot. Well need to get almost time to soak those hot hoofs again.No results on the blood work yet should have them here tomorrow.
    I'm a great believer in working with vets & farriers in laminitis cases so I'm not going to argue with what your vet is telling you to do re. The ice cold water treatment but recent studies have shown that this old style method can actually aggravate the problem. I'm attaching one link but I would suggest you do some searches yourself on google and evaluate.
    The UK website Laminitis Trust has a lot of info worth looking at but each case can have different needs and I think you have to be prepared to question everything.
    If it helps my oldest mare suffered a really severe attack of diet related laminitis some years ago after being fed a sweet mix for a really short time - it was winter and she was fit and in work. She made a full recovery - took a while to get there but is now sound enough - has been for 6 years - to ride on hard ground barefoot and has never had a repeat attack.
    Handouts - Laminitis - White Barn Equine Clinic Ltd
    Index page for Laminitis Trust information
         
        11-15-2012, 02:12 PM
      #28
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    Jaydee Thanks for the info vet was back out and we have stopped the iceing. Vet decided the iceing wasnt really helping now. She gave him some stuff to help open up the bloodvessels don't recall what it is. He's still not out of the woods yet on this still has alot of heat in those hoofs. Problem is we don't know whats causing this so until blood work comes back its all a guess.Hes a grade 3 maybe closer to a 4 so its not good at all.Right now he's back down and has been for a while maybe only stands up for an hour at a time. Vet is doing all she can and going above and beyond for my horse she hasnt charged me a farm call for the last 3 visits. I know she coming from a distance too. Will be back again today to check on him. Iv been reseaching this on and off all night so I know what iam dealing with.
         
        11-16-2012, 02:05 AM
      #29
    Foal
    I have not read all the comments so im not dure if this has been brought up.

    I have an old mule that will slip on our lippery lumoy ground and I am keeping him in our indoor arena....could you by chance do the same?? It gives thim more room to walk as need and the cold only makes injurys worse.

    Best of luck
    Megan
         
        11-16-2012, 11:00 AM
      #30
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    Originally Posted by spirit88    
    Jaydee Thanks for the info vet was back out and we have stopped the iceing. Vet decided the iceing wasnt really helping now. She gave him some stuff to help open up the bloodvessels don't recall what it is. He's still not out of the woods yet on this still has alot of heat in those hoofs. Problem is we don't know whats causing this so until blood work comes back its all a guess.Hes a grade 3 maybe closer to a 4 so its not good at all.Right now he's back down and has been for a while maybe only stands up for an hour at a time. Vet is doing all she can and going above and beyond for my horse she hasnt charged me a farm call for the last 3 visits. I know she coming from a distance too. Will be back again today to check on him. Iv been reseaching this on and off all night so I know what iam dealing with.
    Lying down at this stage isnt a bad thing as its removing his weight from the downward pressure already forcing the pedal/coffin bone down. Just be sure he has hay and water he can reach, maybe soak some of the complete feed pellets that are mollasses free and specifically aimed at horses with IRS problems as he needs to eat to keep his metabolism healthy
    Keeping his legs warm helps circulation - the Back on Track wraps that are held on with velcro are really good but polo wraps with a liner will do if you are OK with bandaging - not too tight though - just enough that they don't fall down.
    You can pad his feet to help support the sole/frog and cushion them, diaper pads or foam (check out styrofoam) cut to size held on with vetwrap or tape, this will make weight bearing easier for him. Make sure his hooves are really clean and you change the padding regularly as the downside of wrapping is that you create a lovely breeding ground for bacterial and fungal infections but the benefit outweighs the risk which you can manage
    The last post was also really good advice - far better for him to start his walking around in a soft indoor where its also warm
    Please don't expect recovery to happen quickly and get disheartened when it doesnt because this is a long haul thing
    Hope the blood tests are optimistic
         

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