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    11-16-2012, 12:29 PM
Jaydee Thanks soooo much when vet was here yesterday she helped me wrap his feet with styrofoam. Vet was here at 7pm last night that's when we did the hoofs. I did wrap his legs last night it got pretty cold. Had to put on his blanket last night aso he was shaking pretty bad. I don't have a indoor arena so that isnt an option I did take him for a short walk this morning. He had a heck of a time kept wanting to go down doesnt like the hard ground. So walked him around in the barn he's still pretty crippled up. Should be hearing from vet here any time now. His hay and water are right near him doesnt have to move to reach it. Since this has started he looks like he lost some weight he eating but not real great. He's not really liking the soaked hay but does finally eat it until we have the results on his blood . Hay needs to be soaked. Iam in this for the long haul vet told me it would be slow to go.
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    11-16-2012, 12:46 PM
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I just have to say I am happy to hear of an owner doing what needs to be done. There are a few horses on property here that are overweight and no matter what we say or how many articles we post in the barn about the dangers of laminitis and founder the madness continues.

It's refreshing to see an owner taking care of their animals and working with a vet. Unfortunately sometimes the good owners that do everything correct have things that happen for no apparent reason. It sucks. I hope for you that your horse pulls through.
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    11-16-2012, 01:35 PM
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Poppy is so right. As they say s**t happens to the best. I certainly never expected the sweet feed that was sold as 'sparkle without fizz' & non heating to send my mare into a full blown laminitis attack especially at the speed it did.
Your vet sounds to be really good - some bad ones about who don't keep up with new research and also too much crap advice from people who arent really qualified that's not had any real clinical research put into it from places that sound to be really knowledgeable and look impressive the way they get presented. Its easy to get fooled by them
He will need extra blankets right now - if he has IRS they seem to feel the cold more and always need a bit extra help but while he's not moving much and his circulation is poor he's doing nothing to help stay warm either so that's going to compound things
I wouldnt be too concerned with any exercise while his pedal bones are where they are and so much inflammation. Leave him on a really deep bed of shavings and allow him to decide how much he feels able to move around for the time being. Sometimes they know whats best for themselves and you just have to help them through that phase which you are. My mare barely stood up for 3 or 4 days even on the pain meds and at one point we had a drip in her as she was getting dehydrated as she wouldn't eat or drink. I think I had less faith in her recovering than my vet or farrier to the extent that I went out and bought another horse - which I still have plus a few more!!!! I don't recommend that BTW
    11-16-2012, 03:10 PM
Finally heard from the vet blood work came back fine so we still have no anwser for why he's foundering. She wants to take more blood and run the test again just too be sure. Thanks poppy and jaydee iam the kind who goes the extra mile for my horses iv learned over the years a fat horse isnt a healthy horse. Asked vet about walking him she said to just let him be he's way too painfull for forced exercise. He's bedded in 10 inchs of shaving plus a bale of straw over that. Have both water buckets right down near where he lays. He is drinking good both five gallon buckets were empty this AM. All I know is I wish I knew what caused this founder. He's down alot though almost every time iam out to check him he's down. Vet will be back around 3 today will change the styrofoam hoof wraps. Did his hoofs while he was down yesterday works better for all involved. My horses are in my back yard so I have control on what gets done and when. So my boy is getting the best care I can provide for him right now.I know some people who have really fat horses who do nothing about it they just continue to feed them too much. Worst part is those people don't have any trouble so go figure.
    11-16-2012, 06:43 PM
Would say that as you have recently had rain that he has an abscess brewing.

Hopefully your farrier will find it.
    11-16-2012, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
Would say that as you have recently had rain that he has an abscess brewing.

Hopefully your farrier will find it.
Oh please, do tell how this causes abscesses? Just had one on my horse too, first time for me. Anyway, Spirit88, I am sending tons of Jingles your way!!!! Keep us posted, give lots of kisses for us too!
    11-16-2012, 09:49 PM
It is very rare to founder behind only - usually the horse will founder in front first.

If the problem stems from higher up as in a slip or twist or tying up then their would not be a a strong pulse in the feet.

Jaydee - If only it were that simple - everyone would have their horses shod and there would be no more abscesses! Shod horses do suffer from an abscess in the foot as easily and as frequently as those that are unshod. The OP's horse has pads on the front feet - not the back.

Nvr2many - I once asked my vet this when he remarked he had dealt with quite a few during the past couple of days, we were staniding in my paddock with my very lame horse in the pouring rain! The recent history of heavy rain is most likely the reason the horse could have an abscess brewing in both hind feet. Wet weather means very soft horn and grit etc can easily get into the feet. Sometimes there is already a small amount of inflamation that is barely noticeable and the horse appears sound but once the rain soaks the feet the pressure builds up. The winter before last my horse had three feet with an abscesses. All at the same time. She too did not want to move.

The reason we poultice a foot for an abscess is to keep the horn soft to encourage the pus to drain downwards through the sole rather than to travel upwards to the coronary band where it is harder to keep clean and heal..

A cheap effective poultice boot should you ever need oone
    11-16-2012, 10:56 PM
This is not abcesses the horse was Xrayed he's foundered in both hind feet read entire post. The vet has be very involved with this coffen bones have rotated down wards its all on Xray. So soaking isnt going to do a thing for him and they can founder on hind feet not typical but does happen. The ground here is no longer wet its frozen solid so his feet arent soft.Thanks though Tnavas The horse is under vets care. And just to be clear I know how to soak feet been there done that lots of times. Thank you Nrv2many.
    11-16-2012, 11:11 PM
So sorry to hear that he has foundered - I so hope you find the cause and are able to help him recover.
    11-17-2012, 10:18 AM
Vet was here again last night guess early evening she is going to draw more blood to run the test again. But decided to wait till monday as nothing will be done over the weekend with it. Not seeing much improvement still very painfull and spending alot of time lying down. Vet says be patient hard to be when he hurts so bad. He did nicker to me this morning for his feed. I re wraped his hoofs with new styrofoam this am that does seem to help. Been checking his front feet for the pounding pulse they seem ok so far. Farrier will be coming out to trim him.Vet wants to be here with Xrays in hand so he does the trim properly to help my horse. Not sure how that will go horse doesnt want to stand long let alone on three legs. He wont even pickup a back foot I do the wrapping of his feet while he's down. Thanks Tnavas. I even talked to vet about putting him down she said give him more time she's sure he will recover. Oh she took more Xrays to make sure no more rotation had occured thank goodness its the same as last time.

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