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    01-25-2012, 10:36 AM
  #31
Weanling
I haven't had to but I would shoot. I took animal anatomy in school so I could be fairly accurate. My husband is an expert marksman so I'd have him do it if he were available. I wouldn't call the vet, I'd just do it if it were necessary.
     
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    01-25-2012, 10:46 AM
  #32
Green Broke
I really only wish when my horse was having his last moments, my dad had known where his gun was. That would have ended about 10 minutes worth of pure agony for my poor guy. I would much rather have watched my dad shoot my horse, then have watched my own horse choke to death on his own blood. I only wish I had the choice to end his suffering when I could have.
     
    01-25-2012, 11:17 AM
  #33
Trained
I've only shot one horse but I've shot dogs and cats and cattle and if the shot placement is correct they don't even feel the bullet. It's like shutting of a light switch. I wouldn't ever bother calling a vet to kill an animal for me.
     
    01-25-2012, 11:27 AM
  #34
Weanling
My dad kills things that need to be killed, because I'm a big chicken. Not because I'm afraid to kill them, but because I'm afraid I wouldn't kill them the first shot/hit, and that would be the worst thing for me.

But no, to answer the question, we/dad haven't had to kill a horse yet. Everything else, but no horses.
     
    01-25-2012, 12:52 PM
  #35
Weanling
Can someone please describe how the horses drop from a properly executed shot? Is it similar to lethal injection without sedation? Or is it quick?

When I had my gelding put down the vet asked me to hold him but to be careful because my horse may panic and not know which way to go. I assumed he meant fall. He injected him with the first needle and started on the second and my horse began to quiver. I initially thought this was the sedative. My gelding flew into the air and toppled over onto his side 7 feet from where we were standing. Then he proceeding to shake and convulse while blood gushed from his nose and mouth for several minutes and then he huffed out one last breath and was gone. After, my vet told me he doesn't sedate first like with a dog because it needs to much sedative. I wish this was explained to me before hand when I asked the procedure. My vet said he will fall over and go. Needless to say, he is no longer my vet.
Is it normal for vets to not sedate first? If so maybe a gunshot would be plain better.
     
    01-25-2012, 01:00 PM
  #36
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by mystykat    
Can someone please describe how the horses drop from a properly executed shot? Is it similar to lethal injection without sedation? Or is it quick?

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Is it normal for vets to not sedate first? If so maybe a gunshot would be plain better.
When we put down our pony she pretty much went down right away. There was some twitching from residual nervous signals, but we're almost 100% positive that she was dead before she hit the ground, and if not, the person we had take the shot did two more right after she fell to make sure she didn't suffer.

As far as I've heard for sedation, that depends on the vet, but if you'd prefer euthanasia by injection, you can always specifically ask for sedation beforehand.
     
    01-25-2012, 02:19 PM
  #37
Foal
Unfortunately, being a final year vet student, I've witnessed and done my fair share of euthanasias. The topic of euthanasing a horse vs. shooting it often comes up.

To be brutally honest, I actually believe the bullet to be more humane - assuming it is an accurate shot. The horse is gone instantly. However, it is not pleasant to watch and I would never put an owner through it if I could avoid it. Some horses just drop down but we had a horse leap straight into the air before crashing down - nothing wrong with the shot, just a nervous system reaction.

For the euthanasia, we always sedate the horses first and we prefer to do it outside on the grass (of course this is not always feasible). But unfortunately, like all drugs, some horses can fight both the sedative and the euthanasia which can also be traumatic.

Then there is also the debate on whether the carcass is to be used for animal consumption (game parks etc.) which I understand is hard to imagine and accept but is common here in South Africa. And then of course, you have to opt for the bullet route.
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    01-25-2012, 02:31 PM
  #38
Green Broke
No such thing as over kill if you are trying to as quickly kill something. I am an extremely knowledgable student of internal and external balistics. That .22 stuff about bouncing around and causing more damage is pure marlarky. Go shoot a watermelon with a 22 and another with a 44 and tell me how much bouncing around damage that 22 does. I noticed in your 22 examples the targets lived. Regan dang sure wouldnt have if he'd a caught a 44 mag JHP at 1800 fps in the armpit. .22s are used because they are quiet not because they are effective.
An animal dies from a gunshot because it runs out of brains or blood. The bigger and higher velocity a projectile is the greater damage it will cause to the central nervous system. There is no magic no smoke and mirrow bullets traveling around shot in the pinky come out the nostril. Simple Mass/velocity/ bullet expansion/ penetration terminal ballistics. Just ask any hunter that has shot and killed big game.
I imagine a 22 with a perfect shot may work, I have strong doubts it would provide skull penetration and do any matter of significant brain damage. Don't care and I wont ever find out. I wouldnt have a problem with anything 35 caliber or larger, but if I have a 44 or 45 sitting there I am not going to put it down and pick up a 22.
     
    01-25-2012, 02:46 PM
  #39
Foal
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
No such thing as over kill if you are trying to as quickly kill something.
I imagine a 22 with a perfect shot may work, I have strong doubts it would provide skull penetration and do any matter of significant brain damage. Don't care and I wont ever find out. I wouldnt have a problem with anything 35 caliber or larger, but if I have a 44 or 45 sitting there I am not going to put it down and pick up a 22.
I have to agree here. A .22 just does not have the power to do what you need it to do....Especially in this situation. Sure it could work but you want something you know will work 100% of the time, the FIRST time. I just do not believe the ballistics of a .22 will accomplish this. Even with a .22 Magnum round or a hot load round with where you are shooting there are just to many variables. Personally I would suggest a .45 hollow point +P round. Or a custom hot load. And of course having the experience to know how to shoot.

I personally prefer shooting a horse to injections. I believe it is faster and more humane. As long as it is done properly.
     
    01-25-2012, 02:58 PM
  #40
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by mystykat    
Can someone please describe how the horses drop from a properly executed shot? Is it similar to lethal injection without sedation? Or is it quick?

When I had my gelding put down the vet asked me to hold him but to be careful because my horse may panic and not know which way to go. I assumed he meant fall. He injected him with the first needle and started on the second and my horse began to quiver. I initially thought this was the sedative. My gelding flew into the air and toppled over onto his side 7 feet from where we were standing. Then he proceeding to shake and convulse while blood gushed from his nose and mouth for several minutes and then he huffed out one last breath and was gone. After, my vet told me he doesn't sedate first like with a dog because it needs to much sedative. I wish this was explained to me before hand when I asked the procedure. My vet said he will fall over and go. Needless to say, he is no longer my vet.
Is it normal for vets to not sedate first? If so maybe a gunshot would be plain better.
exactly why I would never ever use a vet, I have done two with the previously mentioned 44 mag and shot angle/ placement. The first horse stiffened and dropped straight down, no thrashing no movement, no nothing. The second was already down on its side, and near death. But same thing, stiffened a bit, then relaxed almost instantly.
     

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