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    06-11-2012, 02:44 AM
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Has anyone used Legend? IV or Injections?

Hoping someone here has experience using this vet prescribed joint medication. I have a horse that has bone spavin, he has not really taken a lame step, but he is travelling unlevel on that leg occasionally, especially in a show (we got the gate, the judge picked up on it). Since it's not caused by a conformation problem, eg; sickle hocks, I assume it was from a few years ago when I was stopping him with a bit of a slide without sliding plates, I no longer do that but the damage is done. Several respected horse professionals have referred me to Legend, saying he would be a good candidate for that kind of remedy. I was using a glucosamine supplement, it seemed to work as he was travelling more evenly however it seems to be cost prohibitive and from what I have read, not as effective as Legend. I was told there is two different methods of administering it, IV and injections straight to the affected site. Which did you use for your horse? I have an excellent referral to a vet clinic that does both so it seems that I will be relying on what the vet's recommendation for which method is for best my horse. Thank you in advance for sharing any of your experiences with this.
     
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    06-11-2012, 02:57 AM
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For an acute issue, IA (joint) injections would be what I would do. Getting an evaluation from a vet, however, would be the best course of action. Corticosteroids may also be a good idea.

Bone spavin is in a lot of cases predisposed in breeding, and can be caused by over riding as a young horse. So don't feel like you caused it!! It is likely it would have developed anyways.

To "fix" bone spavin the joint has to fuse. This can be done surgically or with injections, both ways require time off. You can also let them fuse naturally but that requires years and can be quite painful. Just something to discuss with the vet. Bog spavin however, is not able to be fused and usually spells retirement.

Good luck!
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    06-11-2012, 02:42 PM
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Trained
Thanks Anabel. However, I must take responsibility for his condition, he was 10 when he was diagnosed with this at a regular check up, teeth floating. I hadn't even noticed as he had never been lame, the vet asked me what I was doing with the horse, when I explained that a trainer had put a pretty good stop on him and that he will almost slide when I sit down heavy, he figured that was the cause as my horse's confo does not lend itself to bone spavin. I have owned this horse since a weanling & I now own his sire, so whatever problems he has concerning usage and breeding, it's my ownership. He is 12 now & has never been lame, but last year he was "off" on that leg (right rear hind) for a few days. I used a glucosamine supplement for the whole show season and he never took a lame step, but when I look back, he was travelling the same as he was now, no one ever picked up on it. I figured this year he was fine & the bone had set, as I felt no heat in the area. Yesterday at the show, although I did notice he wasn't as rounded & relaxed as he usually is, the judge picked up on it and called me in to center to ask if he had an issue with that leg. I told her about his bone spavin, she said that isn't an injury, it's a condition but because of it, although he isn't lame, he is uneven and she can't use him in a class. After the show, the judge, and a girl riding a high powered reiner & my coach all said I should consider looking into Legend. The girl with the reiner gave me a good recommendation for vet. I live in a small town and the vets here are not equine specialists, we have to haul out of town so it was excellent to get a referral only 60 miles away. I was hoping there was more HF members out there who had used Legend and would care to share their results. My horse will see the vet concerning this on Wednesday, I am hoping the prognosis is good.
     
    06-11-2012, 04:22 PM
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Trained
Hopefully it is actually bone spavin and not boggy at all. They involve different joints, this is where a thorough diagnosis and x-rays will be useful in determining a course of action.

I would be cautious about injecting anything that would support the joint as it will only prolong the fusing process (IMO) is there any way you can get a for sure diagnosis with some X-rays and then talk to an equine specialist vet?? It looks like you aren't too far from Vancouver and there must be some good vet clinics down there.

I have used Legend, but not for bone spavin. One of my horses had bone spavin, I had the joints surgically fused not long after diagnosis and never had another hock problem. I have mostly used Legend as an anti-inflammatory injected IA for acute issues and IV for more general or performance related issues. I plan on using some IV Legend prior to a large competition I'm attending at the end of the month, for instance, just as a supportive measure that my horse is not stiff from hauling in the horse inspection on the first day.
For bone spavin I would only consider using IA Legend in the middle of the show season just to "make it through" and then book surgery for after the season. If you can get away with it (drug regulations for your associations and proximity to competitions), I think that IA corticosteroids are going to give you a lot more bang for your buck.

Hopefully your vet appointment will give you some answers and a clearer idea of the prognosis and your treatment options, good luck!
     
    06-11-2012, 04:50 PM
  #5
Trained
Unfortunately, Vancouver is 5 hours south of me, but you are correct, they have excellent vet clinics in that area, one is devoted to just lameness diagnosis & treatment. Thank you again for your suggestions, I made sure I booked for a long appointment for xrays & consultation, I was thinking about other types of injections as well, I will certainly raise the point to the vet. I am quite confident in this vet as he came with an excellent recommendation from some top horse people who have taken horses to the Vancouver lameness clinic, I was told he is just as competent. I am certainly hoping so.
     
    06-11-2012, 05:20 PM
  #6
Trained
I haul 4 hours for a riding lesson hahahaha!!

But good luck I hope you get some good answers from your local vet!
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    06-11-2012, 05:37 PM
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4 hours for a lesson? That is dedication! I thought I had it bad when I haul a half hour to a lesson a couple times a week, I feel pretty lucky now. The vet I am taking my horse to is not the local vet clinic, I was already advised not to go there, this clinic is in a much bigger town an hour or so away, so not too long of a haul. Very frustrating living in rural areas when you own large animals requiring specialized care. I am however grateful for vets practising in this town now, the competency level has risen. A vet we had practising here about 20 years ago, and he was the only one, was nicknamed Dr. Death, I wouldn't even take a stray cat to be spayed by that guy. As soon as a new vet showed up and operated as a mobile vet, then opened his own clinic & had a few other vets practise there as well, Dr. Death left town.
     
    06-11-2012, 05:41 PM
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This is a very interesting thread. I have my horse on Adequan because of his previous pelvis injury and I've seen some difference with the use of it. I recently switched trainers and my new trainer, after getting my horse moving FORWARD mentioned that I need to discuss possible hock injections for my horse. She isn't positive that is where the issue is but she is feeling very strongly about it. After reading this thread and then doing a quick internet search I am definitely thinking it's worth a question to my vet as well...
     
    06-11-2012, 05:42 PM
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Yearling
Waresbear, I actually furnished the horses for the Bayer (makers of Legend) test. It was back in about 1996 I think and dad was doing some shoeing for MU. They needed some navicular horses to try it on and we knew some. Hauled them up there and got to see the improvement first-hand with the horses. Very convincing watching them the first day, then after treatment seeing stride length and mobility increased (on the treadmill.) Best I remember, it's a bursa fluid replacement (lubes joints)for those who don't know
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    06-13-2012, 10:13 PM
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That is so cool AC, now my horse has benefitted from Legend. I just got back from the vet clinic. Excellent prognosis, no bog spavin, it is bone spavin & it has just started to fuse, only the bottom two distal joints. The vet gave him a Legend IV to get me through the show season (he might need more, depends) and we discussed options. He feels with remedial shoeing (got instructions for my farrier) & riding the horse very frequently through winter to force the fusion, the horse will be back to his level self, phew! If not, he is going to refer Indy to another vet for a chemical injection type fusion. However, after looking at the xrays and doing several different flexion tests (stinkin' hot today & I was the one trotting my horse up & down this hill for evaluation), he said he feels confident that the fusion will occur on it's own as he seems to think the bone spavin was caused by a trauma to the area, whether it was kick (highly unlikely, my horses don't kick each other) or my previous hard stops. I also bought some off label pain meds (approved for horses in US & UK, but not in Canada yet), but I can't show using these, as I didn't want bute and neither did the vet want to recommend it. So the vet's advice is to ride, ride, ride. Gotta love that huh?
     

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