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    11-05-2009, 08:26 PM
  #11
Foal
Hiwaythreetwenty and I have the same set up it sounds like. We have 7 horses on the farm and they are turned out 24/7. There are stalls there if needed but the horses are much happier and healthier turned out. If I had no option but to stall a horse than I wouldn't own one. Unless stalling is necessary (injury or something) I see no reason to keep them couped up. They would go nuts!!
     
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    11-05-2009, 08:39 PM
  #12
Trained
I have delivered hay to a lot of high dollar boarding facilities that cleaned thier stalls twice a day and always had good clean shavings in the stall but most of them still smelled like ammonia and horses had coughs and runny eyes. My horses are turned out together 24/7 summer and winter. They have a three sided shed but for the most part they just stand together with thier backs to the wind in the winter. It seems like the first thing anybody wants to do after they get a horse is build a barn and keep it in a stall. It's not the bst for the horse and unless you enjoy shovelling horse **** it's not that much fun.
     
    11-05-2009, 08:45 PM
  #13
Green Broke
I'm ok with stalling (as I do have a barn and three stalls) IF:

A) The horse gets to stretch out in a turnout area at least for five to eight hours a day

In addition to...

B) they get ridden every day (with one day off where they would get more turnout)

Personally, my horses are out 24/7 with a shelter but I know that is not possible everywhere especially when boarding. I boarded at a place that turned out the horses at eight every morning and they came in at five that evening. My horses are super fit and did not do well when they were in for all that time. When I got my own barn and brought them home, they were MUCH happier and not nearly as hard to handle undersaddle.

So, in conclusion, yes: stalling if you have some sort of turnout for some time
     
    11-05-2009, 08:55 PM
  #14
Yearling
I have never had the 'luxury' of stalls until I got Bo, and he is staying in the pasture, but my BO has a five stall barn. He only uses it if the horses get injured, or keep them in over night to teach some patience, etc.

At my home, we have a three sided tin barn, and the horses go in and out whenever they please. When I get my own place, I think having five stalls maximum would be nice, and a tack room =] But for the most part, I am against stalling.

I have never heard of concrete flooring either though! How horrible!
     
    11-05-2009, 09:07 PM
  #15
Weanling
I'm not a fan of keeping them stalled. They're much healthier both mind and body outside.

Keeping them stalled on straight cement is insane. That's just not right
     
    11-05-2009, 09:32 PM
  #16
Weanling
I don't believe in stalling a horse. I mean, our horses have a small barn with 2 stalls, BUT it is free access and it has dirt flooring. Even in the rain and snow I will NEVER stall them, it is their choice whether or not they want to be in there out of the weather. I have never once had an incident where my horse got hurt or sick. I just believe it is the natural thing to do to let them be out 24/7 but have shelter provided for whenever they want it.
     
    11-05-2009, 09:40 PM
  #17
Foal
I'm all for stalling, but our horses are out from early morning until evening, and just put in for the night. So, they have lots of outdoors time to run and graze and do whatever, haha. :]
     
    11-05-2009, 10:38 PM
  #18
Yearling
"I" think Horses should only be stalled for shows or health reasons.Imagine how bored they would get? Its cruel that a 1000+lb animal has to stand in a 12/12 stall of his own filth. Sure he might get turned out for an hour or so,but that's nothing like being turned out into a pasture with other horses.
     
    11-05-2009, 10:39 PM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SAsamone    
Hello all =)
I am new to the board, and I hope I do not create any enemies right off the bat, but just I wanted to get something off my chest that I have been thinking of for a while...

Does anyone think it is...not cruel...but....not smart to keep a horse stalled?

I say this, not because I'm some animal rights activist, or some crazy conspirator, or anything like that, but simply because of a mare I purchased about a year ago now....

She's a beautiful 21 year old arab, who had her career caring for one young girl to the next, letting them live their dreams of owning a horse, and competing in one of the most popular sports in the horse world- jumping.

Now, of course, every horse who has been used in competition is going to come out with "battle wounds" such as arthritus, and ligement problems, especially being older...however, most horses can ride well into their late twenties possibly, as I have once met, into their thirties (though I admit this is rare)

Sam however, who was stalled for nearly 15 hours a day, in a 13x13 stall with concrete floors (no padding or shavings) is now hardly ever ridable (I trail ride), as she seems to be in pain when I get on her, especially bare back...(she weighs 875 pounds, I weigh 95)....she collicked several times, including once requiring nasal/gastric tubing with her previous owner, however, has never collicked on me, even after abrubt changes in food.

My point is this:
-A horses' anatomy is designed to move constantly: movement aids their digestion and flexes the muscels and keeps them loose.
-Stalling a horse prevents alot of this necessary movement, when confined for long periods of time- causing collic, sore muscles, and arthritus, especially when thrown in a stall after a hard work out. (don't you cramp up in the morning after a ton of work in a field fixing fences, lifting buckets, and lounging horses until dark the previous day?)

-a horse is designed to eat food while the head is down
-corner buckets, and hay nets aren't natural positions for a horse to eat, and, again, a stall prohibits alot of the movement necessary for gut and bowl movement.

-horses in the wild are free to roam about.
-Civilization brought these horses into these artificial confinements for practical reasons (easy to catch, and be near the horse; horse remains in one area; it remains clean etc.)- not because we were actually thinking of the horse itself.


I don't say that NEVER stalling a horse is a solution, as it is convenient at times, especially on hot or cold days, or before a show if they're neatly groomed, or especially if a horse is injured or sick. But stalling for hours, I feel, is a step backwards?

Another proof I have, is a stable used for children very close to me. I went to a clinic there for showmanship, and didn't have a trailer to bring my arab with me. So, I used one of their horses, whom they said was a champion at showmanship, but had arthritus. I thought nothing of it, until I went to walk the horse, and the horse was at least three steps behind my every move, and I noticed another girl who also borrowed one of the stables' horses, had the same problem. I took the liberty afterwards to take the horse back myself, and saw that the horses there were standing on pure concrete pads with no bedding or even mats.

I feel very strongly of this, however, of course, it's just an opinion. But am I wrong? I would love to be set straight if I am. I'm just applying what I know, and what I've seen. Any thoughts? Please join! I would love to hear what you all have to say about the subject. I know there are plenty of horse owners who stall their horses and they are just fine. So, as I said, I may be wrong. What do you think?
I am with you 100%. It isnt natural for horses to be stalled whatsoever no. Its hard on them being such a large animal. I am not completely against it either like you for shows or injuries because sometimes its better to have them confined to heal or keep clean haha..
I don't think your wrong at all. The plain concrete is kind of a scary thought, I would think just because horses need something there to pump the blood into there legs from the frog and if its just flat there isnt much blood flow...if that makes sense? Also them laying down would be hard on them...literally..
     
    11-05-2009, 10:51 PM
  #20
Started
Alot of horses are stalled at night or durring the day, and the other time are turned out. I honestly don't see ALOT of problems. Its all in how they are cared for. Some horses do get arthritus, but then some don't. Sometimes its not possible to give 24/7 turnout if you have alot of horses and a little land, or otherwise they will ruin the turnout. I would rather have my horses outside then worry about my grass though. If I had the option I would stall my mare when its really muddy/wet as she looses shoes all the time. As for feeding: my weanling will CAN NOT eat off the ground, he gets annoyed because he can't eat fast enough (little mouth) and will tip his bucket over. Its sort of humerous, he has very little patience for some things. We always feed off the ground if possible, esp hay, otherwise it ends up on the ground anyway.
     

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