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        06-12-2013, 03:05 PM
      #1
    Foal
    Help!!

    I've just bought a 13hh pony for restarting and schooling. Hoping to make a lovely pony club pony for
    Someone! However I've brought him
    Home, and when I started to do work with him trying to desensitise him as quite flinchy, I found he is really uncomftable with people around his back end, really just back legs and as soon as you touch behind his legs just under his bum he kicks out in panic, after about ten minutes of trying to desensitise him to me touching his legs I managed to touch all over. However at the top of the leg by the stifle... (that little bit of skin that's a bit flappy between stomach and back leg) is very very sensitive and when I touch that he goes mental, I tried desensitising him the same way with his back legs but really not happy. Was wondering if anyone had anything similar or whether he could be in pain there from
    Something? It's the same on both sides but right side is slightly worse! Any advise would be amazing!!!!
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        06-12-2013, 03:11 PM
      #2
    Yearling
    I retrained a chronic kicker who didnt have an attitude problem, he was just terrified.

    I "desensitized" him in a very gentle way. Making him feel comfortable by rubbing and loving on his face before I'd slowly head towards his hind feet. At first I could only touch his hip. Once my hand touched his hip, I'd retreat back to his head and shoulder and love on him.

    I slowly made progress. I'd rub his coat the whole way down his back and along his hip...and once he was comfortable enough with that, I aimed for his stifle. Then the hock. Then his cannon. Every time He stood for it, I'd go back to his face and love him.

    After about 3 days he was ready for the farrier.

    It sounds like your guy might be a bit fearful and taking things slowly for him could be your best option. Often, people want to desensitize in a hurry but when you have a sensitive horse, this will only send them over the edge.
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        06-12-2013, 03:12 PM
      #3
    Started
    It could be pain, but I'm leaning more towards past trauma or just being a jerk. Unfortunately that is a VERY dangerous reaction, especially if you're looking to resell as a pony club mount, I would never consider a horse with that sort of reaction for a kid- so it looks like you have a lot of work to do before selling, lots of desensitizing and lots and lots of patience.
         
        06-12-2013, 03:17 PM
      #4
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Copperhead    
    I retrained a chronic kicker who didnt have an attitude problem, he was just terrified.

    I "desensitized" him in a very gentle way. Making him feel comfortable by rubbing and loving on his face before I'd slowly head towards his hind feet. At first I could only touch his hip. Once my hand touched his hip, I'd retreat back to his head and shoulder and love on him.

    I slowly made progress. I'd rub his coat the whole way down his back and along his hip...and once he was comfortable enough with that, I aimed for his stifle. Then the hock. Then his cannon. Every time He stood for it, I'd go back to his face and love him.

    After about 3 days he was ready for the farrier.

    It sounds like your guy might be a bit fearful and taking things slowly for him could be your best option. Often, people want to desensitize in a hurry but when you have a sensitive horse, this will only send them over the edge.
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    Yes that is what I have been doing with him, just thought it was odd that I could go all up the inside of his leg, hock cannon bone, almost to the point of picking it up but as soon as I touched that area by the stifle it was shear pAnic. I bought him from a dealer who seemed nice enough, he has been sat in a field for the last six month and I know previously he wasn't well looked after.
    Thankyou for your reply!


    And yes I know I plan on taking my time with him. He is very sweet but has just been mistreated I'm guessing, I have dealt with many before but none that are very sensitive in that particular area, so just wanted to rule out pain so I could continue with him.
    Thanks for advice!
         
        06-12-2013, 03:19 PM
      #5
    Green Broke
    I agree, approach and retreat. Rub where he is comfortable, brush over the area he doesn't like then back to where he is comfortable again. You may even want to give him small piece of carrot every time you touch there to make a strong positive correlation. If your not comfortable with going back there you can use the end of a whip or crop or carrot stick to rub and retreat.

    Worst case, if its safe for you to do so, put your hand just outside the sensitive area. Let him squirm and move around. When he stops you take the pressure off. It worked for me with a horse who was very abused and would freak over anything. I'd wipe fly spray on him with a rag and I just held it on him until he stopped moving. Same with the blanket. Sometimes they need to get over the "flight" responds before they think "oh, well its not that scary after all!", especially when their first instinct is to get away from it.

    Also, keep in mind many horses done enjoy being touched there!
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        06-12-2013, 03:31 PM
      #6
    Green Broke
    Take a cue stick or short whip and rub him all over. When you get to an area that he doesn't like being touched, hold it there as best you can and let him kick or moved around you if he wants. Once he stands still, then remove it from that area and rub him on his back or neck, somewhere he understands is a reward. Using a stick, you keep yourself at a safe distance. Once he gets over it and you can touch him with the stick and no issue, repeat with your hand.
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        06-12-2013, 03:34 PM
      #7
    Foal
    Yeah Thankyou. I will continue with him for a few weeks and see if any progress is made. What your saying is what I have been doing with him. Like I said just want to rule out pain. And yeah he's not genuinely kicking out at me because I'm
    Sure if he wanted to he would have got me he is just terrified I think. Poor bugger! This is why I do my job! To help these mistreated horses recover and find a forever home
    At the end! Just out of interest, I have never known it to be but is that area associated with pain usually? I know horses are a bit funny there but I just wondered if it could be anything else!

    Thanks again guys really appreciate it :)
         

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