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post #11 of 30 Old 02-02-2009, 11:25 AM
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I wrote my first post without reading all the way through. I agree, if she has founded before, and your vet hasn't discussed diet changes, then you need to cancel your vet appointment and get a NEW VET out ASAP. I agree, test for insulin resistance and other metabolic or hormonal disorders. Get rid of all grain from the diet, more turn out time (possibly with a grazing muzzle, but movement is important for a founder prone or IR horse), and possibly special supplementation (like D-Carb Balance).
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post #12 of 30 Old 02-02-2009, 11:54 AM
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Remove the COB from her diet ASAP and replace it with a forage based prouct,, topline on a three year old is NORAMLLY Growth spurt...

I would also remove the alfalfa hay from the diet but that is me I don't like to feed any horse straight alfalfa
I could not agree more. Personally, I am not a fan of feeding straight alfalfa, and really don't understand why people do. If your horse has a history of founder, I would have considered switching her feed a long time ago. If my three year old had a history of founder, red flags would be going up everywhere. Like Peggysue said, I would replace her feed with a more substantial forage diet, and think about losing the alfalfa.
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post #13 of 30 Old 02-02-2009, 08:47 PM
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I agree with everyone else. You need to get rid of the COB....And find another Vet, whomever it is isn't helping you any. Should have had that horse off the rich diet after the first time.

Any update as to what is going on?
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post #14 of 30 Old 02-04-2009, 05:09 AM Thread Starter
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im meeting with the vet again tomomorrow, the thing i dont get is why it didnt show up tell now? she's been on the same feed for about 4-6 months and had no issues, im trying to find another vet but there's only a few around here. also the last time she foundered was over a year ago when we had her on just pasture, also im not sure that it or this is founder, can some explaine to me what founder is?

also when i say a cup of grain i mean like a cup cup, so maybe a hand full or to, i have manly been gicing her grain as a treat at night. would just alalfa be that bad? and i board and thats all they feed... so i cant have her fed something else without moving her witch i think would make it worse because it takes her about a month to get used to the new place and even then she normaly will drop a little weight.

i am waiting to talk to the vet again before i change her food or anything. could her teeth be an issue? she got them done about a year ago...
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post #15 of 30 Old 02-04-2009, 05:11 AM Thread Starter
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I could not agree more. Personally, I am not a fan of feeding straight alfalfa, and really don't understand why people do. If your horse has a history of founder, I would have considered switching her feed a long time ago. If my three year old had a history of founder, red flags would be going up everywhere. Like Peggysue said, I would replace her feed with a more substantial forage diet, and think about losing the alfalfa.
yea if this wasn't the first time she had been foundering on alfalfa i would have changed. she's been eating alfalfa for about 4 months now with no issues at all. i dont think its the food but ill have to wait and see.
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post #16 of 30 Old 02-04-2009, 05:37 AM Thread Starter
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dont know if this helps, but here a pic of her front feet from about a week ago.
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post #17 of 30 Old 02-04-2009, 11:03 AM
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Laminitis is inflammation of the soft-tissues (called lamina) in the feet. These lamina are what hold the bones, especially the coffin bone) in place in the foot and this bone is what carries all of the weight of the horse to the ground. Founder is a layman's term that is now used to represent a chronic problem caused by the lamina becoming inflammed and no longer being able to hold the coffin bone where it should be so it moves within the hoof to an abnormal position. I would recommend that you go to www.thehorse.com and check out the webinar (online "seminar") on laminitis. It takes about an hour to watch if you have a decent internet connection. Otherwise just do a search on that website for laminitis or founder and you will come up with all sort of good articles.

If a metabolic condition is present (like insulin resistance) then even a handful of grain can be a problem. And just because she has been on this diet for 4 months doesn't mean that she hasn't been building up to this---any number of things could have "pushed her over the edge" into a visible problem caused by the metabolic condition. Check out this article: www.thehorse.com/pdf/aaep/obese.pdf And also do a search for "hold the grain" on that website.

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post #18 of 30 Old 02-04-2009, 08:21 PM Thread Starter
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okay, just met with the vet (A NEW ONE!) and he imformed me that she does not have founder (and from what he can tell never has) the rings on her feet are from growing and diet change, as for thw eight loss thats due to get sudenly growing up 3 in's. i also went and looks at a new stable today that feeds grass/ alfalfa, should i move her to this new place? the vet gave me a nice list as to stuff i should feed her and stuff i shouldn't. he also looked at her teeth and there fine and dandy. here's some new pics from today. she really fuzzy so you can see her ribs but i can feel all of them.
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I would request her to be on FREE CHOICE hay in other words you want hay in front of her 24 hours a day seven days a week!!

I dont' like the looks of her tail head or hips ... what breed is she??

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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post #20 of 30 Old 02-04-2009, 10:25 PM Thread Starter
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I would request her to be on FREE CHOICE hay in other words you want hay in front of her 24 hours a day seven days a week!!

I dont' like the looks of her tail head or hips ... what breed is she??

we did up her feed a little, all we have right now if alfalfa so we cant do fee choice hay with her. she's an Arabian
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