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        10-21-2012, 05:34 AM
      #11
    hmv
    Foal
    Hiya yes the problem is when getting in styrrups, she will be tacked up etc perfect, but as soon as you put a foot near styrrup she spins etc?
    My daughter is 15 and has ridden since 3 s very experienced, she even brings horses back to work for others so she a bit upset at this problem with her own
         
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        10-21-2012, 06:30 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    Are you mounting from a block or from the ground? If you are mounting on a block does she move from the block when you stand up on it, or when you put your foot in the sturrip, or will she not go near the block at all? If you are getting on from the ground, is someone holding the sturrip on the otherside to reduce saddle twist?

    Isolate at which specific point she is moving. It could be that she has learnt to associate the foot going in the sturrip with the saddle twisting across her back, which causes discomfort. If you are getting on from the ground try using a mounting block, or try getting on without using the sturrips- ie vaulting from the ground/block. See if she improves. It could be she is in pain from the mounting process.

    If you think she is just being a pain in the butt because she is testing you or something:
    I would get a designated 'mount up' area within another area where you are relatively enclosed but its still big enough for you do do ground work in- eg a corner of the yard. Place her in your mount up area calmly and proceed to get on her. As soon as she takes a step away from you get after her butt end and make her circle around you. Don't be angry, just purpeousful in your body launguage. Let up when she is responding to you (and preferably standing facing the direction you want her to be facing for mounting), change your body language to 'relaxed' mode and calmly place her back in the mount up area. You have to make this area calm and relaxing for her to stand nicely in. Make it her rest area, so she learns standing here and letting someone mount is less effort then moving out of the area and getting worked.

    She should learn fast enough that stepping away= pressure and circles, and standing makes life easier.
         
        10-21-2012, 11:24 AM
      #13
    hmv
    Foal
    Hiya it is when she tries to step in the styrrup , she then starts spinning in circles n even lifts her feet , no chance of getting n without someone holding her as well,
    My daughter has managed to day to get on her but what a struggle!
    She then wasnt too bad until she tried to trot her then she tried buckin etc to get her off! Then carried on walking fine??
    Everytime she tried t get on and off tho she really tried keeping her on the ground by spinning n even tried rearing!
    The old owners have even been tday and she the same with them, they think she may have gone backwards in her backing with the move?
    They are genuine people tho as even said they would come and work with my daughter and her 3 times a week and if she still like it they would take her back?


    Really stuck!!
         
        10-21-2012, 11:48 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
    I would work on.. slowly working her way towards the stirrups and rewarding her.. then go to put pressure on the stirrup with your hands.. and then release really fast.. and reward her IF she stands STILL.. and keep doing that until you can put pressure on the stirrup for a while without her moving..

    Then put her foot in the stirrup and take it out.. increase time.. but reward her IF ONLY she stands STILL!.. then put some weight in the stirrup.. then gradually have your daughter pull her self up.. BUT don't get in the saddle.. have her rub her.. standing with one foot in the stirrup then get down.. walk her around.. and repeat.. :)
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        10-21-2012, 11:49 AM
      #15
    Green Broke
    If the sellers are willing to take her back, why isn't she in the trailer already?
         
        10-21-2012, 11:50 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cacowgirl    
    If the sellers are willing to take her back, why isn't she in the trailer already?
    I think its something that if they work on can be fixed pretty easily. I wouldnt return a horse.. because they wouldnt stand still while mounting.. Id fix the problem.. Or try to.
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        10-21-2012, 12:08 PM
      #17
    Trained
    If you're determined to keep the horse then I'd start checking things out to rule out pain. Check to see if she's sore in her back or hips. Then check the saddle fit, or have a saddle fitter do it better still, and then have a vet out and have him check.

    I had a lovely mare, sent her to the trainer for a refresher course. She was fine for about 3 weeks, then started squealing and running out if you just lifted your foot to mount. Had the vet/chiro out, she had developed some horrible back problems and I ended up selling her to someone as a broodmare because she could not be fixed. She was in PAIN if someone got on her, even with a mounting block.
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        10-21-2012, 04:58 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmv    
    my daughter has managed to day to get on her but what a struggle!
    She then wasnt too bad until she tried to trot her then she tried buckin etc to get her off! Then carried on walking fine??
    Everytime she tried t get on and off tho she really tried
    First off, stop trying to get on her & don't ride her when something is obviously so wrong - of course the horse will be trying hard to get rid of the pain! Your daughter doesn't want to become more associated to that pain in the horse's head. Especially in the early days of the relationship I'd be really striving to ensure I and my 'games' are Good Things to the horse, not Bad.

    Find & fix the issue before attempting to ride again - tho you could see how she goes bareback - perhaps it's purely the saddle. Again, I think the problem is very likely pain, so forget 'working with' her until that's resolved/ruled out first.
         
        10-21-2012, 05:07 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmv    
    hiya it is when she tries to step in the styrrup , she then starts spinning in circles n even lifts her feet , no chance of getting n without someone holding her as well,
    My daughter has managed to day to get on her but what a struggle!
    She then wasnt too bad until she tried to trot her then she tried buckin etc to get her off! Then carried on walking fine??
    Everytime she tried t get on and off tho she really tried keeping her on the ground by spinning n even tried rearing!
    The old owners have even been tday and she the same with them, they think she may have gone backwards in her backing with the move?
    They are genuine people tho as even said they would come and work with my daughter and her 3 times a week and if she still like it they would take her back?


    Really stuck!!
    So, if I am reading the thread correctly you still have not had the horse thoroughly vetted and/or checked by a chiropractor?
         
        10-22-2012, 02:35 AM
      #20
    hmv
    Foal
    Hiya no I havent had the vet yet but am goint call them today as even the old owners were surprised at how she was behaving and said it wasnt at all like her!
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