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    01-13-2012, 12:41 PM
  #21
Weanling
Sounds good! Hope it works out for you! Just make sure that your blanket, if you get one, is WATERPROOF not water resistant. There IS a difference.
     
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    01-13-2012, 01:57 PM
  #22
Trained
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Originally Posted by paint23    
Thanks everyone these are all very helpful tips! I have done some research since yesterday and I think I am going to try the blue seal carb guard, alfalfa pellets and the cool calories. Along with a blanket at night and really windy/freezing days. My local vet also carries costal burmuda hay that is really high in protein and nutrients, I am going to add a flake or two of that in a day with his regular hay ration. I tried a blanket that I borrowed on him last night and he took it fine, he didnt even bother to spook from it! So I hope this works!!

I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread, so I'm probably going to repeat some of the advice you've already been given. I don't care what brand of feed you use, whatever is your favorite and works. I'm going to use Purina Senior as the example as that's what I use and I have some FAT senior horses who have been rail thin as they aged.

24/7 grass hay free choice
Work up to about 15 lbs of Senior per day. On the bag it states that a horse in Light Work weighing 1000 lbs should receive 14.75 lbs per day, assuming no hay is fed because it's designed to be a complete feed.

I don't like depriving them of their hay, so I feed the Senior and leave hay in front of them at all times. I then feed the amount of Senior they should get for what I WANT them to weigh, not for what they weigh now or I might even go a little more than what I want them to weigh so they'll put the weight on pretty quickly. I also add Purina Amplify, a high fat supplement to their diet, 1 or 2 lbs per day, depending on how quickly they are picking up the weight.

I also KEEP the horse blanketed in a heavy blanket until the weather is consistanly over 60 degrees F in the daytime or until they've gained all the weight they need to gain. I re-blanket at night until they've regained all their weight. I found this KEY to getting weight on with my older horses, especially during the winter. If I left them unblanketed or too lightly, they'd either not gain or lose everything they had gained.

A horse with no fat cannot stay warm and will burn off all the calories you're feeding him so no matter what you feed, he'll still be cold. If he's shivering, he's cold.

I use these turnouts/blankets and I've had really good results. I have more than one blanket per horse because if one gets dirty I don't want them cold while I clean the blanket.

Heavyweight Turnout:
StormShield® 1680D EURO EXTREME Turnouts in Euro Fit at Schneider Saddlery

I also buy the Sheet so I can layer the sheet over a stable blanket. I buy these stable blankets:

Adjusta-Fit® SUPERQUILT® Bellyband Blanket - Heavyweight in Stable Blankets at Schneider Saddlery

For the money, these have been the most durable and lasted the longest of any of the less expensive blankets I've used. I have a couple $300 blankets that have more patches than these do, and after less wear than I've had from the Schneider's. Schneider's also stands behind their products really well.

Here's my 32 y.o. QH Lucky. He has since passed on but you can see he certainly wasn't skinny when he died.

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    01-13-2012, 02:00 PM
  #23
Weanling
I was told it's actually bad to blanket them if they have their winter coat. Something about squishing the hair down and doing more harm than good. Is this person taking me for a ride?

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread, so I'm probably going to repeat some of the advice you've already been given. I don't care what brand of feed you use, whatever is your favorite and works. I'm going to use Purina Senior as the example as that's what I use and I have some FAT senior horses who have been rail thin as they aged.

24/7 grass hay free choice
Work up to about 15 lbs of Senior per day. On the bag it states that a horse in Light Work weighing 1000 lbs should receive 14.75 lbs per day, assuming no hay is fed because it's designed to be a complete feed.

I don't like depriving them of their hay, so I feed the Senior and leave hay in front of them at all times. I then feed the amount of Senior they should get for what I WANT them to weigh, not for what they weigh now or I might even go a little more than what I want them to weigh so they'll put the weight on pretty quickly. I also add Purina Amplify, a high fat supplement to their diet, 1 or 2 lbs per day, depending on how quickly they are picking up the weight.

I also KEEP the horse blanketed in a heavy blanket until the weather is consistanly over 60 degrees F in the daytime or until they've gained all the weight they need to gain. I re-blanket at night until they've regained all their weight. I found this KEY to getting weight on with my older horses, especially during the winter. If I left them unblanketed or too lightly, they'd either not gain or lose everything they had gained.

A horse with no fat cannot stay warm and will burn off all the calories you're feeding him so no matter what you feed, he'll still be cold. If he's shivering, he's cold.

I use these turnouts/blankets and I've had really good results. I have more than one blanket per horse because if one gets dirty I don't want them cold while I clean the blanket.

Heavyweight Turnout:
StormShield® 1680D EURO EXTREME Turnouts in Euro Fit at Schneider Saddlery

I also buy the Sheet so I can layer the sheet over a stable blanket. I buy these stable blankets:

Adjusta-Fit® SUPERQUILT® Bellyband Blanket - Heavyweight in Stable Blankets at Schneider Saddlery

For the money, these have been the most durable and lasted the longest of any of the less expensive blankets I've used. I have a couple $300 blankets that have more patches than these do, and after less wear than I've had from the Schneider's. Schneider's also stands behind their products really well.

Here's my 32 y.o. QH Lucky. He has since passed on but you can see he certainly wasn't skinny when he died.

     
    01-13-2012, 02:12 PM
  #24
Super Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by furbabymum    
I was told it's actually bad to blanket them if they have their winter coat. Something about squishing the hair down and doing more harm than good. Is this person taking me for a ride?
It's bad if you aren't blanketing appropriately for the temperature. So yes and no.
If your horse has it's winter coat, it's 20*F out, and you stick a light turnout sheet (no fill) on that horse, that's harming the horse's ability to stay warm.
However, if your horse has it's winter coat, it's 20*F, and you stick a heavyweight blanket on it, that's helping keep the horse warm.

Basically, the blanket has to replace whatever hair loft+warmth is lost through the use of the blanket.

I like to use a blanketing chart (Google has about 50 million if you do a search). Blanketing charts basically tell you the general rule of thumb temperatures each weight of blanket is good for so you never end up not blanketing enough.



OP- Are you soaking the feed for your guy? My mare is 27 and, while she is an air fern, I soak her extras to make sure she can chew them up a bit easier. If you aren't soaking already, I'd definitely give that a try. My mare likes just enough water to make all the pellets sort of wet all over but you'll want to experiment to find out how much your guy likes/needs.
     
    01-13-2012, 03:40 PM
  #25
Trained
We had a recent blanketting thread, but I'd like to add that the OP NEEDS to use a blanket on her elderly Arab, but mine hardly ever needed to wear one. (With 3 horses I have 4 blankets and one canvas sheet, which are cleaned, folded and at-the-ready-stored every winter, but they usually gather dust.)
Bc I DON'T show I do not need to replace clipped hair on the torso, fetlocks or ears, especially. I turn my herd out as often as possible and leave them out in the weather full time as LONG as possible so that they will grow a sufficient winter coat. (My chickens are treated the same and they really feather out, as evidenced by how many feathers I pluck when I slaughter in the winter, lol!)
Early on I witnessed a horse moved in January from Texas to Illinois to a barn with open windows. The owners had to DOUBLE-blanket him to keep him from shivering.
NC doesn't get this morning's IL weather--wind chill was -4 degrees F, and it's going to be 7 Degrees above F tonight--so the OP doesn't need to heavily blanket her horse and she doesn't need to make him sweat--THAT can bring a chill.
All last year on the way to work DH and I watched a new horse owner blanket horses even with the daytime temps over 60 degrees. We also drive past an established TB broodmare farm. They pulled their mares in for the recent snow storm, but otherwise they are turned out most days NO BLANKETS. This operation has their main broodmare farm in KY and there are a lot of $valuable foals that come from this farm--I think that they know what they are doing.
OP NEEDS to blanket her horse bc he is comprimised. If, God willing, he makes another winter I hope that his weight and his coat are better than this year. =D
     
    01-19-2012, 11:21 AM
  #26
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread, so I'm probably going to repeat some of the advice you've already been given. I don't care what brand of feed you use, whatever is your favorite and works. I'm going to use Purina Senior as the example as that's what I use and I have some FAT senior horses who have been rail thin as they aged.

24/7 grass hay free choice
Work up to about 15 lbs of Senior per day. On the bag it states that a horse in Light Work weighing 1000 lbs should receive 14.75 lbs per day, assuming no hay is fed because it's designed to be a complete feed.

I don't like depriving them of their hay, so I feed the Senior and leave hay in front of them at all times. I then feed the amount of Senior they should get for what I WANT them to weigh, not for what they weigh now or I might even go a little more than what I want them to weigh so they'll put the weight on pretty quickly. I also add Purina Amplify, a high fat supplement to their diet, 1 or 2 lbs per day, depending on how quickly they are picking up the weight.

I also KEEP the horse blanketed in a heavy blanket until the weather is consistanly over 60 degrees F in the daytime or until they've gained all the weight they need to gain. I re-blanket at night until they've regained all their weight. I found this KEY to getting weight on with my older horses, especially during the winter. If I left them unblanketed or too lightly, they'd either not gain or lose everything they had gained.

A horse with no fat cannot stay warm and will burn off all the calories you're feeding him so no matter what you feed, he'll still be cold. If he's shivering, he's cold.

I use these turnouts/blankets and I've had really good results. I have more than one blanket per horse because if one gets dirty I don't want them cold while I clean the blanket.

Heavyweight Turnout:
StormShield® 1680D EURO EXTREME Turnouts in Euro Fit at Schneider Saddlery

I also buy the Sheet so I can layer the sheet over a stable blanket. I buy these stable blankets:

Adjusta-Fit® SUPERQUILT® Bellyband Blanket - Heavyweight in Stable Blankets at Schneider Saddlery

For the money, these have been the most durable and lasted the longest of any of the less expensive blankets I've used. I have a couple $300 blankets that have more patches than these do, and after less wear than I've had from the Schneider's. Schneider's also stands behind their products really well.

Here's my 32 y.o. QH Lucky. He has since passed on but you can see he certainly wasn't skinny when he died.

Thanks that's good advice, I have never fed my feed by the pound, how do I go about doing that? And your horse looked great, I want to get my old man back to looking that good. But I feed him twice a day with blue seal carb guard with alfalfa pellets. And he gets half a bale of hay a feeding. He seems to do fine chewing his food
     
    01-19-2012, 11:49 AM
  #27
Super Moderator
I definitely agree with the blanketing idea. Alot of older horses will lose their ability to maintain their body temps in the colder temperatures which will have them shivering and in turn losing body weight.

Give him good quality hay and find a feed that works for him. I was using the Triple Crowne senior on my guy and it worked great. Before that I was using equine senior but had to add "athlete" which is a high fat/protein supplement. It's been years since I did that so I don't recall any of the info on it.

I now give him Penfield because my TC provider went out of business. He seems to be doing well on it but it's only been a short while. He is in a very thick blanket 24/7. I do not stall him at night becuase I prefer to keep his old bones moving. (He does however have a stall that is open to the outside).

He only has 7 teeth so I make sure he has plenty of water although I do not wet his feed down as he will not eat it....

Good luck!
     

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