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post #11 of 18 Old 08-27-2013, 11:09 AM
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They use inferior ingredients, it is a nonfixed formula and it isnt so "safe" anyway since the NSC count is about 28% unless anything changed in the formulation recently. The name is misleading. There are many feeds out there with lower NSC counts of better quality. And I have watched horses look all shiney and slick on it coat wise but loose muscle tone and weight on it vs other feeds on the same forage. Different batches and areas of the country seen to be a bit different since the formula isnt fixed. I just think it is a subpar quality feed personally. Id call it a middle of the road feed. Better than Sweet feeds but ther eare a couple brands that are better quality. Calories are not equal. 300 calories of McDonalds is not equal to 300 calories of, say, a healthy sandwich you make at home. Ingredients matter.
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I have a colt that is 15 months, but we have to totally supplement since we live in the desert. He gets either wheat or coastal hay (large round bale) that they are allowed to "free feed" on, and then omolene 300/ mare and foal, to give him an extra boost of nutrients that his growing body needs. He has a big belly on him and you can still see his ribs, but I know it is not sand/dirt, and he has been wormed. I have had the vet out and she liked the way he has gained weight. I figure this is just an awkward phase that a lot of them go through, and once they get done growing, things will even out. As long as I know I am doing everything to ensure they get their nutritional needs met, I am not worried about the belly, to me it just means he is happy and healthy.
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I agree that if it's not worms or sand (though a negative fecal doesn't guarantee he's not carrying), then it's likely the lack of quality feed. Personally, I would put him on alfalfa pellets instead of the Safe Choice. More protein for a growing body and more fiber for good digestion without the sugars and starches of normal "grains". Also, make sure he's got access to a mineral block or loose minerals.
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They use inferior ingredients, it is a nonfixed formula and it isnt so "safe" anyway since the NSC count is about 28% unless anything changed in the formulation recently. The name is misleading. There are many feeds out there with lower NSC counts of better quality. And I have watched horses look all shiney and slick on it coat wise but loose muscle tone and weight on it vs other feeds on the same forage. Different batches and areas of the country seen to be a bit different since the formula isnt fixed. I just think it is a subpar quality feed personally. Id call it a middle of the road feed. Better than Sweet feeds but ther eare a couple brands that are better quality. Calories are not equal. 300 calories of McDonalds is not equal to 300 calories of, say, a healthy sandwich you make at home. Ingredients matter.
where in the world do you get your info??Purina?? They do not use inferior ingredients. WOW
My horses are on Safe Coice and MSM and have been and are shine and Have great Muscle and look just as good if not better than others who are on Purina and Triple crown the others also supplement with all kinds of things ....why would you feed sweet feed and hop your horse up on all that sugar?

it is a personal Choice and I love Safe Choice . I am not into all the hype that the other companies have.

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post #15 of 18 Old 08-27-2013, 04:18 PM
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I hate Purina too actually. Since the formula is not fixed, you will get whatever they need to add in to make up the guaranteed analysis. A little bit of research and the fact that they don't list ingredients online anywhere on their site will tell you that.

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he looks to be going through a growth spurt , mine did that, big belly , ribby, then the ribs would fill out , then they would grow. If your fecal count is nothing, stop deworming, it makes parasites resistant with constant dewormings . I would not worry about him.
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A negative fecal doesn't necessarily mean he is actually negative for parasites. There are a few parasites that will not show up on fecals, namely small strongyles, pinworms, and tapes.

I actually just had to adjust my deworming (because I was deworming according to fecal) and both horses had clear fecals, but I found an adult pinworm in my geldings manure and evidence of pins around his anus just a month after a generous deworming with equimax. So I dosed both with Quest and found 1 pinworm in some manure, but what surprised me was my filly had had a fairly significant small strongyle infestation that neither the fecal showed, nor the equimax took care of just a month before. Never again going by fecals only... And my horses will be dosed with Quest at least once a year, obviously there is ivermectin resistance, Quest is the only dewormer with no known resistance, you just need to be more precise with weight. My filly lost her "hay belly" after I got rid of the small strongyles that I didn't know were there because fecals didn't tell me, and previous ivermectin/strongid/safeguard doses didn't get them.

That being said, pay attention to protein as already stated and sand if you live in an area with sandy soil and often feed off the ground or have overgrazed pasture (biting the grass too close to the ground is another way they ingest sand)

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I hate Purina too actually. Since the formula is not fixed, you will get whatever they need to add in to make up the guaranteed analysis. A little bit of research and the fact that they don't list ingredients online anywhere on their site will tell you that.
I agree with this. I once fed my horses the safe choice and was startled to see that the main ingredients changed back and forth. That ended it for me.

Fortunately now mine get no grain at all, only hay, hay pellets, flax seed and beet pulp.
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