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    09-16-2013, 04:42 PM
Question Hocks sore? Stifles sore? What do you think?

I already have a vet appointment scheduled with my equine lameness specialist for next week, but I'm just curious what HF folks think.

Red is a 7-yr-old AQHA gelding, about 15.1 to 15.2 hands. I bought him the spring of his 6-yr-old year, essentially green broke. He got a good full year of riding last year, then October to April off. (Got a leg injury in January, so that's why no riding until April.) This was the leg injury (left hind) before and after.

Lameness vet had cleared him for riding in April, and the wound seemed to have caused no permanent damage besides a scar.

Fast forward to June, and I'm feeling this weird faint on-and-off lameness in his front end. Thought it was "just him" because he is rather short strided (he doesn't "flow" when he moves; never has) but my mother noticed it too when I was home to visit with him, so I took him to the lameness vet again. Best the vet could determine is that his joint spaces were crooked in the short pastern joint in both front feet, and I've been doing a 2 degree shoe and pad on his front feet since then. It has completely taken care of it. I was quite amazed how quickly that did resolve, and just with some simple corrective shoeing.

And now, the new issue. He's sore in his back end. This is the video of the last barrel run I made before realizing he is sore, and then a video I did a few days later at home to confirm what exactly he's doing with that back end. (Please excuse my rider pilot error on the barrels.)

I've always had some difficulty getting him to use his hind end properly in a barrel turn in the past, and I'll bet he's had this hind end issue longer than he's let on. Although it's so weird he never showed anything in his hind end at the lameness vet, because heavens knows we're on a first-name basis there we've been there so much this year! I've also never noticed anything on previous barrel videos I've taken.

Especially since his corrective shoeing, he sees the farrier every 5 weeks on the nose. And I am going to have the chiro check him this week too, just in case, although he's never had a major issue. Teeth were done last November with no major issues, and that's when I had planned to have them done again this year.

So just curious what you guys see, and where you think the problem may lie (hocks, stifles, both).

It could be its own separate issue, but I'm keeping it in the back of my mind that:
--his left hind injury could actually be hurting ... although it doesn't seem to matter which way he turns, so it just doesn't make sense.
--maybe he also has crooked joint spaces in his hind end, like his front end

I'm hoping it is something simple where he maybe just needs to be injected a time or two, and then he stays sound on his own, but who knows.

This horse has SO much potential for barrel racing, and he tries so hard for me, so it pains me that we keep having all these health issues setting us back. I told myself I will give him all of next year, but if soundness issues keep popping up like this and continue to be a problem, I will be finding him a new home that doesn't involve stressful-joint-sports like barrel racing.

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    09-16-2013, 04:48 PM
It actually looked like he is cross firing (cross canter, different leads front and back) when going around the barrel..
The horse I ride is extremely unbalanced so his canter sometimes has these weird hops with both hind legs together, as if not sure which lead to pick or what..
    09-16-2013, 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Cherrij    
It actually looked like he is cross firing (cross canter, different leads front and back) when going around the barrel..
The horse I ride is extremely unbalanced so his canter sometimes has these weird hops with both hind legs together, as if not sure which lead to pick or what..
Exactly. Which is why I am positive he is sore. He's trying to compensate for it, including switching his leads in back around the turn, instead of reaching that outside hind underneath himself. Notice on my second video in the slo-mo how he twitches his tail as well.

He actually has a very cadenced and very balanced lope, where actually his trot could potentially use some improvement. He is fantastic at his simple lead changes, and his lope is just so nice to ride. He never cross-fires any other time. Hence why it is suspicious he's doing it only around the barrel.
    09-16-2013, 05:51 PM
Second video?
    09-16-2013, 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by tinyliny    
second video?

Confused on what you mean by your comment tinyliny.

In the second video I posted, toward the beginning of it when I do the first slow-motion repeat of the turn, he's cross-firing in the back end, swishing his tail, and then "powering" out of the turn using both legs at the same time, quite awkwardly.

You can just see it really easy in the slow motion that something is not right.
    09-16-2013, 08:38 PM
Sorry, my computer was very slow to download the two of them, so I only saw one the first time I looked at your post. My bad.
    09-16-2013, 08:42 PM
I saw some of the "hind legs at the same time" you talk about in the pole bending video on youtube. I am surprised the vet did not see any of that. But, did you trot or canter him on a circle or only on a striaghtaway?
    09-17-2013, 10:56 AM
What's the date on the pole bending video you are referring to Tinyliny?

July 2nd was the last time I had him at the vet. He was flexioned on a straightaway but she also watched him movements on a circle. All trotting, if I recall correctly. She didn't see anything in his hind end on that day. We nerve blocked his front left foot at the heel, and it made the left front 100% better, but the right front completely worse.

Full details are here:
Crooked joints in a 7-yr-old? Possible navicular changes???

He was also lameness eval'ed in the beginning of April, with special attention to his hind end, to make sure he was sound to ride on his injury. Granted, he'd just had quite a few months off though, so he was "rested". But hind end was fine.
    09-17-2013, 11:55 AM
Beau, definitely have him looked by a Chiro.I just had Rumor done yesterday. Her canter seemed really off balance/cross firing during patterns (but not during regular circles). I didn't think anything was majorly wrong but my mom convinced me to take her in. She was out in her withers, and in her back end. Right on top of her hips/lower back. My Chiro said she's "all sorts of screwed up" back there. LoL

He ran his fingers down her spine and when he hit this spot (which iI brush daily) she tucked her butt almost to the floor. It hurt!!! I didn't think she was that bad? She also had an adjustment back in May, so...

Overall, lesson learned. Rumor will see a Chiro twice a year, if not more frequently.

So, have him seen, and then see what happens After the adjustment.
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    09-17-2013, 12:24 PM
Already talked to the chiro to see when he can come out this week. Anxious to see if he will find anything.

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