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        06-06-2013, 04:10 PM
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    Hoof Experts? Any idea on the problem?

    6 year old Gelding Mogan/Arab (best friend) A list of late clinical sign of founder. Noticements. Yes and No


    Lies down a lot (No he doesn't lie down alot.)

    Standing but will not move (After standing under the pasture trees for so long he looks a little stiff. But is capable of moving fine.)

    Bounding digital pulse (Normal)

    Sole hot to the touch (No)

    White line stretched (No)

    Will not allow you to pick up a foot (Yes, he lets me pick up his feet until I release one.)

    Stops eating (He still eats the pasture grass. Has no sweetness that I know of.)

    Sole bruise in the shape of a coffin bone (No sign of a bruise.)

    Shifting weight from foot to foot (swaying side to side). ((No.))

    Standing with front legs stretched out, back arched, trying to lean back to get weight off toes. (No)

    When asked to turn in a tight area like a stall or narrow barn aisle the horse rocks backwards onto haunches, lifts head up and lurches around because it hurts to turn the feet. (No.)

    His front hooves have grown a few inches and is due for the trimmer tomorrow. He has a cresty neck is that what happens when eating so much grass and unable to get proper exercise in the downpouring spring rain that went on for over 3/4 of the season? He is quite "Fat" from being kept fed well with hay and a small bowl of grain in the cold winter, blunty riding feels like 1 is doing the splits. He doesn't show any sign of pain when standing/walking or even ("Running around" <- when he feels like it.)

    Could the growing hooves be some cause of his discomfort? When his feet get trimmed every 6-8 weeks by the farrier he always feels rejuvinated and is bursting with energy.

    This small farm has no barn yet and I'm saving up to buy one, it'll be a perfect barn with stalls, indoor riding arena, tack room, hay loft, food storage (preferably for grain.) Might even add a bedroom and bathroom in there. The waters will have a hose within reach to clean and fill up water buckets. And a place for bed shavings to be put in the stalls. I only have my 1 horse Ninit, we've been best buds since the first few days of his birth 6 years ago. He's a real sweetheart and loves attention which I give to him plenty daily. I could let other horse people rent out the stalls if they choose. Won't be no bigger than 5 or 6 stalls.

    He has NEVER had horse shoes on, I don't want to take any chances if something is wrong with him, I really really hope not. The only hoof that seems to grow out faster than normally is his front left which after has sealed up a teeny tiny small crack in the front peice of the hoof from the bottom, I've been using "Hoof Heal" to help seal it up if its needed. I'll post another response tomorrow after his feet trimming are done. I value his life more than my own.
         
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        06-06-2013, 05:54 PM
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    Trained
    We need pictures. Of him, to see his weight status. Of his feet, from the side, standing square, on hard ground, and the soles. Nice would be before AND after the trim.
    For starters, since you stated he's overweight....he needs to slim down, or he'll run the risk of coming up with "yes" answers to all these questions.

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        06-06-2013, 06:25 PM
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    We need pictures. Of him, to see his weight status. Of his feet, from the side, standing square, on hard ground, and the soles. Nice would be before AND after the trim.
    For starters, since you stated he's overweight....he needs to slim down, or he'll run the risk of coming up with "yes" answers to all these questions.

    Welcome to the forum

    Right, I'll use my 3ds to take pictures after his trimming finishes tomorrow. (No camera/Phone for reaching the internet but the 3ds fortunately connects w/o a problem.) How long do you think it'll take to get him back into shape? The sunlights normal in the summer so I usually wait till later in the evening to ride, but I don't plan to ride until after his feet finish tomorrow for his own safety of getting an even worser problem. There's not really anything to do but ride in circles in the open pasture. And quite unneeded with some mole hills and bumps to the grounds. No horse trailer to take him up to an arena to ride in/out that holds flat surface.
         
        06-06-2013, 06:56 PM
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    Banned
    How long it takes to get him in shape depends on how much your able to work him.
    Cresty neck and fat is founder waiting to happen. He should be wearing a grazing muzzle and I wouldn't feed him any grain.
         
        06-06-2013, 10:33 PM
      #5
    Trained
    Yes, muzzle for part of the day, dry lot for some hours, if possible, and exercise. No sweetfeed/ grain, only a vit/min supplement or a ration balancer.
    There is more to it, which we can tell you once we see the pics
         
        06-07-2013, 04:49 AM
      #6
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Yes, muzzle for part of the day, dry lot for some hours, if possible, and exercise. No sweetfeed/ grain, only a vit/min supplement or a ration balancer.
    There is more to it, which we can tell you once we see the pics

    Will vegetables help him lose the weight too while getting workouts? His buddy Kody prefered Brocolli over carrots even apples. 3ds is at the ready, just gotta wait for the horse trimmer to arrive about 4pm on 6/7/13. He's a really pretty roan color in the summer but that's off the main topic. :P

    I don't have a muzzler by the way. If need be, I'll put him in the smaller pasture with his own water troft instead of grazing on all the open pasture grass out back. He'll even have his own little shelter area to stand out of the burning sunlight towards him and I'm definitely putting fly spray on tomorrow, only thing I could help him was his face using a fly mask. Poor buddy was getting swarmed in flies. This time the flies will be the ones staying away. The main problem is, will be catching that pigheaded mare Bunny.
         
        06-07-2013, 09:25 AM
      #7
    Green Broke
    Go ahead and get all of the before angle pics now then get the after pics so you can post them for the most informative responses.

    Here is the angles to get in order to help them give you the best response.
    Good Hoof Photos - How to take Good Hoof Photos
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        06-07-2013, 01:01 PM
      #8
    Green Broke
    If his feet have grown "a few inches" that is very likely the cause of his problems. Some horses grow hooves fast and will need to have the farrier out more often than every 6-8 weeks. However, it sounds like your horse's hooves are growing unusually fast, which can be a sign of a separate health issue and should probably be evaluated by your vet.
         
        06-07-2013, 02:36 PM
      #9
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Roadyy    
    Go ahead and get all of the before angle pics now then get the after pics so you can post them for the most informative responses.

    Here is the angles to get in order to help them give you the best response.
    Good Hoof Photos - How to take Good Hoof Photos

    Read all of the link and viewed the pictures, should be easy enough. Ninit has had pictures before even at a young age, he should be sound with a small sound flash from the 3ds, as for the sunlight and flat surfaces I'm not entirely certain, I could take him over to the firm dirt trail they've made after years. There shouldn't be anything around to blur the pictures that are to come in a few hours. Which will then be my next post. And I know these type of typing areas with the bold icon, letter changes, image inserts, etc. Inserting pictures shouldn't be any problem. Will continue to keep track of his hoof's growths and when they start getting long again I'll call the farrier out, might stop growing so fast once he's back into shape too. The first time he had these hoof growths was last winter when it was wet and muddy up at the front and around there dirt trails. At least 4-5 hours to wait until the farrier arrives. (when posted.)

    Summary of the effect of age on horse hoof growth rate.
    Class of Horse (mm per day) (mm per mo.) (in. Per mo.)
    Foals 0.50 15.0 0.60

    Yearlings 0.40 12.0 0.50

    Mature 0.30 9.0 0.33

    Aged 0.20 6.0 0.25

    Ninit's is as the "Mature" State, (age 6 this year.) Winter as I found this from this link, http://www.cceequine.org/fact_sheets...of%20Grows.pdf .If spring is indeed the time hoof rates for his age rounds, then by late summer it should start slowing down again?
         
        06-07-2013, 03:13 PM
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    Trained
    Hoof growth rate is very individual and depends on nutrition, type of ground the horse lives on, work and type of year.
    And it's not only about growth, but also wear. A horse with some conformational flaws will most likely wear his hooves unevenly and therefore needs correcting more.
    I bought a yearling once who was so correct that my farrier refused to touch his feet. They were and wore perfect until he was three and we had a very wet winter which made a little rasping necessary. Another needed trimming every three weeks, otherwise his toes would become too long, the heels underrun. He was pidgeon- toed.
    So, until we see these pics...........
    Please, if you read this before arrival of the farrier, take BEFORE trim pictures.
         

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