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post #1 of 30 Old 08-04-2012, 10:41 AM Thread Starter
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Hoof issues- very upset and need advice

My horse is 4 years old, and is trimmed every 4-5 weeks by a barefoot trimmer. The farrier was out 2 weeks ago, and told me my horse had the start of white line disease in all of his hooves.
Since then, I have been doing everything that was instructed (picking out feet every day and trying to scrape the gunk out of his white lines, soaking three times a week in white lightnings, and examining and fixing his feed). I found out his diet was lacking in a bunch of minerals and vitamins, so got that fixed up a few days ago and he is now getting the vitamins and minerals required.
My problem is that it isn't working. In two weeks, the white line disease has gotten much worse, despite all the treatments I've been following. I try to scrape the stuff out every day, but I am scraping out 1/4 inch into the white line, and still meeting infected tissues (i'm nervous to scrape into the white line too much).
I have never dealt with this issue before, and am very frusterated and upset. The past two days, he has started becomming ouchie when his feet are handled and picked out. I am planning to call the farrier today and see if she will come out today or tomorrow to take a look.
What else can I do to treat this? I'm tempted to tell her to just cut out all the bad stuff, even if it makes him lame for a bit to get this cleared up. For some reason, its spreading very quickly, and I wan't to get this taken care of asap!
Does anyone know of horses who had resections done? How long do they take to recover, and what can I expect if this is the route we go down?
Also, my barefoot trimmer said that if the walls needed to be resected, she would have to refer me to someone who can put shoes on (as she doesn't do shoes).
Do they need shoes after a resection, or is it better to leave them barefoot? I'm just wondering what they would nail the shoe to if they had to resect a bunch of wall??

I really need advice here. I'm freaking out, and keep thinking of the worst possible outcomes.
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We started using a product called Silverfeet, and have found it to be very good. Not sure if you can get it where you are but it's not overly expensive and at the time there were offering free shipping.

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post #3 of 30 Old 08-04-2012, 10:53 AM
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When I bought my mare, she had the weirdest little wave on her front right hoof on the inside. I'd asked my farrier at the what is was and he said it was nothing to worry about, she never once was lame. About a year ago, my new farrier cut it out and the pictures below is the result of it. We sprayed bleach on it and it actually sizzled, WEIRD!! We are still dealing with it and she requires special shoeing, but has never been lame on it. Now we just keep cutting away as it grows out and he fills the hole with sylicone. I always have shoes on her fronts, her inside walk on that same foot falls in without the shoes. The other weird thing about this, and my farrier was the first to say, the fungus stayed localized, it was surprising that it did not spread through out her whole hoof.

I hope you find a solution soon!!
Good luck!!
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Thank you for the information so far. You are lucky that is was only in one section. My boy has it on the quarters in his back feet, and pretty much all the way around on both his front.
I've already thrown out hundreds of dollars in treatments and supplements the past two weeks, so I'm hoping to find something that will actually fix this issue instead of throwing away a bunch of money when its not working.
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post #5 of 30 Old 08-04-2012, 06:17 PM
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The fact that he has it in all four feet is very concerning! Most horses only get it in one hoof, normally caused by a crack or puncture wound or trimming too short. The fact that it's in all four means something in his environment is wrong, either his feet are too short, cracking too deep, or his ground is too hard/sharp causing cracks, or his ground is too wet and muddy causing immense bacterial build up. I imagine he gets his hooves cleaned fairly regularly, but if you keep their hooves clean and there's no cracks this shouldn't happen at all.

I really hope all goes better for you pony :(
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post #6 of 30 Old 08-04-2012, 06:30 PM
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I know you are upset OP, but it does take time to grow new hooves. A few weeks on supplements isn't going to show dramatic differences, that will take months I am afraid. Patience and persistance are the only ways to deal with hoof problems. Here's a quick read on how hooves grow and what influences them.

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Yes, if the horse has 'seedy toe/WLD' high up into the wall, I think you will be just 'scratching the surface' with your own ministrations I'm afraid. Ideal dry environment, good nutrition & diet, & trimming that releives force on the walls will make treatment only more likely to get a handle on it though.

Trouble is, the infection can eat away at healthy tissue as quickly as it can grow. I think that digging it out/resecting is indeed generally a necessity. Depending on how much of the wall needs resecting, a brace across the face of the wall may be desirable & in severe cases, the horse may need boots to protect the foot, if too much of the 'armour plating' has to be removed. Perhaps your trimmer is just not very experienced so making excuses about shoes? No, shoes aren't necessary & I think they're generally more of a hinderance than a help for 'WLD'.

If you would like any more specific advice/opinions, giving some details of management, diet, etc and posting some hoof pix would be good. Read Pete Ramey writes about white line disease thrush navicular disease hoof balance and there are plenty of other good articles on his site. I just noticed also that Pete's DVD set 'Under The Horse' is on special for $125 - VERY worth it if you want to learn about hooves.
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Thanks for the information. I couldn't get ahold of my farrier so left a message- she should call as soon as she gets it.
I did do lots of research once I found out, and knew to examine his environment, feed, and trim schedule. His feet are always done every 4 weeks- and never more than 5. He does have slightly underslug heels, but the farrier is working on that and almost has it fixed. His environment is good- his paddock is not too hard, nor too muddie. It is dry and the footing is soft. He only has one small crack in the back which happened a few months ago and almost grown out- before this started. It was from a trail ride on pavement though, and we havn't been on hard ground since. I finally found out his diet is lacking in a lot of minerals\vitamins as our hay is poor this year. I added the correct supplements and fixed his diet this week. I'm hoping that solves the problem of his getting it again, but now I have to get rid of the infection, and the minerals arn't going to make a difference for at least a few weeks probably until his body starts functioning inside the way it should.
I am doing everything possible to fix this as quickly as possible. Apparently a ton of people in the area have it, and I'm thinking its from the poor hay this year. We usually never see white line disease around here unless the horses are kept in unacceptable conditions.
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I will try to get some pictures tomorrow.
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Perhaps your not letting his feet grow out long enough before having the farrier come and trim him. 4 weeks is a fairly short amount of time between trimmings. I usually go 8-10 weeks, I like to have alot of toe gone and lots of heel growth. It will take some time for his feet to grow out. It took a year for the cut out was grown out, and every day I was using a small wire brush with bleach and water to scrape it out and remove whatever was in there as for dirt, small rocks and grass and weeds.
Good luck:)!!
Hope it all works out and I am looking forward to the pictures.
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