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post #31 of 39 Old 12-01-2011, 10:56 AM
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Horses can have bad days, I agree, but the OP has noted this is over a period of time. Ulcers are one suggestion as I mentioned, still trying to find the thread but there are similarities between this case and another I know.

It may be a popped rib, or grumpiness.

But bad days are bad days, not weeks.
Yes, I know. But it a reference to someone saying they can't; because they can and do.
I still highly doubt it is ulcers - especially if he is eating well. My guy bucked like a bronc and he just has sore muscles from fooling around in his pen. I think, although a vet check is never a bad idea in this case of tight funds, a massage therapist would be better.
It is a lot to get an endoscope down a horse to check for ulcers when he isn't showing any symptoms. That's just me.
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As a side note, you can get slow feeder nets that go around the big bales. If you do find out that it's ulcers that are bothering your horse, it might be worth investing in one to make those bales last longer.

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Yes, I know. But it a reference to someone saying they can't; because they can and do.
I still highly doubt it is ulcers - especially if he is eating well. My guy bucked like a bronc and he just has sore muscles from fooling around in his pen. I think, although a vet check is never a bad idea in this case of tight funds, a massage therapist would be better.
It is a lot to get an endoscope down a horse to check for ulcers when he isn't showing any symptoms. That's just me.
Yes, he eats very well! Actually, since we got the round bale out in our pasture, they haven't left that part of the pasture. They eat, drink, and manure over their... He has a permanent green stain on the snip on his nose from all the Prairie grass

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From reading your last post about your mother being slightly paranoid about you getting hurt says to me that you could approach it in that way.

Tell her that his behaviour is starting to worry you and your worries that pissy look and pig root may turn into full on bucks which you don't think you can sit.

Suggest that the chiro etc may keep you safer.
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You know what it actually sounds to me a LOT like a problem I had with my old horse. Man could he buck!! Turned out it was my saddle, even though I thought it was a pretty good fit, and a saddle fitter said it was ok.

So even though you don't think it's anything to do with tack, I do. It's pretty classic. Grumpy when you're tacking up, grumpy when you ask him to move forward... CLASSIC.

IMO this horse is hurting and it's probably to do with his saddle.

If girthing him up slowly made a difference he MAY be girthy or cold-backed but IME these are also caused by pain.
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post #36 of 39 Old 12-06-2011, 10:16 AM
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A young friend of mine had a gorgeous sweet little pally mare, Fancy. Well trained horse. She moved horse to another barn and Fancy started acting like a total jerk. Bucking, laying down when asked to move forward, etc etc etc. Turned into a nightmare of a mare. Someone suggested ulcers.

She gave Fancy an ulcer med for 6 days. It said if it helped the horse had ulcers; if she didn't have ulcers it wouldn't hurt her. Turns out poor Fancy had ulcers. She cleared those up literally in the 6 days and Fancy turned back to her sweet self.

I spoke to her a few weeks ago - she no longer owns Fancy but a little girl at her barn does so she still sees the mare everyday and she is fine now. See if you mom will try that - but check out the meds first. I will see if I can get ahold of my friend today and ask her exactly what she gave Fancy.
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Okay- going out on a limb here, but after your story about how you tacked him up slowly and gave him warmup time, he was fine, the first thing that I thought was that he may be cold backed. I used to ride a cold backed horse, his was minor, and I would walk him around as I tightened the girth, otherwise he would be pissed. Otherwise a long walking warmup, at least 10 min. Just throwing it out there! It may be showing up now as the colder months move in and his muscles get stiffer. I may be completely wrong, I'm only 18 myself! Just trying to help :)
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From reading your last post about your mother being slightly paranoid about you getting hurt says to me that you could approach it in that way.

Tell her that his behaviour is starting to worry you and your worries that pissy look and pig root may turn into full on bucks which you don't think you can sit.

Suggest that the chiro etc may keep you safer.
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Paranoid is right! Only one problem; He used to buck like no tomorrow, like seriously, all the time. He just got excited, and bucked. To me, they never ever felt like a pissy buck, just a crazy buck... yes, it might have been a disrespectful buck, but I still don't think so... (I'm probably wrong) Any how, he bucked like crazy, huge, pain in the butt bucks, but somehow I managed to stay on... I only flew off a few times out of the other times, and she knows that I can possibly hold on when he bucks So telling her I may fly off wont help much... all she says is "wear your helmet, and you'll be fine". (Although I don't think she believes her own words) But I will try and approach her with safety for me on the horse! (Oh, he doesn't buck anymore ) Although he may start again if he really does have ulcers... (I hope not!)


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You know what it actually sounds to me a LOT like a problem I had with my old horse. Man could he buck!! Turned out it was my saddle, even though I thought it was a pretty good fit, and a saddle fitter said it was ok.

So even though you don't think it's anything to do with tack, I do. It's pretty classic. Grumpy when you're tacking up, grumpy when you ask him to move forward... CLASSIC.

IMO this horse is hurting and it's probably to do with his saddle.

If girthing him up slowly made a difference he MAY be girthy or cold-backed but IME these are also caused by pain.
The more I watch him, the more I think it might be the saddle, as this started around the same time a new saddle was purchased... But it also could be ulcers, cold back, naughtiness, and on and on... I NEED A VET!

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A young friend of mine had a gorgeous sweet little pally mare, Fancy. Well trained horse. She moved horse to another barn and Fancy started acting like a total jerk. Bucking, laying down when asked to move forward, etc etc etc. Turned into a nightmare of a mare. Someone suggested ulcers.

She gave Fancy an ulcer med for 6 days. It said if it helped the horse had ulcers; if she didn't have ulcers it wouldn't hurt her. Turns out poor Fancy had ulcers. She cleared those up literally in the 6 days and Fancy turned back to her sweet self.

I spoke to her a few weeks ago - she no longer owns Fancy but a little girl at her barn does so she still sees the mare everyday and she is fine now. See if you mom will try that - but check out the meds first. I will see if I can get ahold of my friend today and ask her exactly what she gave Fancy.
Thank you, that would be nice! I don't think having a vet come out will be possible, but buying medication has a bigger chance by far.

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Okay- going out on a limb here, but after your story about how you tacked him up slowly and gave him warmup time, he was fine, the first thing that I thought was that he may be cold backed. I used to ride a cold backed horse, his was minor, and I would walk him around as I tightened the girth, otherwise he would be pissed. Otherwise a long walking warmup, at least 10 min. Just throwing it out there! It may be showing up now as the colder months move in and his muscles get stiffer. I may be completely wrong, I'm only 18 myself! Just trying to help :)
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You know, the thing with him is that now, he only does the pissy look when asked to move forward ocasionally, its not every single time now... Like, I'll ask him to move forward and he gives me a pissy look, a few minutes later when asked to move forward again, he does it perfectly. Or if he just wants to go, and I allow it, he does the speeding up change fine... Other times I get a evil eye, pissed ears, and pissed body language. I never considered him being cold backed... I will do some research and see if that may be a problem!

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If it started with the new saddle then guess what... 10 times out of 10 it is the saddle. A horse changes its behaviour and you go looking for what YOU changed when or just before the behaviour change happened.

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