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    10-17-2009, 07:07 PM
  #21
Weanling
Yes, I think people who assume an injection is more humane haven't seen it because like I said, If I could do the alpaca situation again, I'd have had him shot 100 times over.

I do not agree with people who say if you can't afford a vet, don't own the horse. . . Like I said, a huge amount of people can't even afford to go themselves when they need an antibiotic for THEMSELVES . . . It makes no sense to say not to own animals if you can't afford high cost surgery or high cost emergency care with the animal overpopulation and neglect and starvation and euthanizing of healthy animals - any kind owner who does what they can is doing that animal a favor. . . What would happen to the MILLIONS and Millions of animals that would be homeless if everyone who could afford colic surgery or cancer treatment on their horse or pet dumped them or hadn't bought them in the first place - where would they go? It is just hoping for an ideal situation that doesn't exist - a utopia, if you will. . .

The fact you worked with a vet over the phone and the wound seems to have healed fairly well is more than a lot of horses could hope for.

I just personally don't have the will power or stomach for such medical care and am so sensitive to pain and such, I am not sure I'd not have put her down if I could get a vet to do the care, and I'm not saying that would have been the best option because it sounds like you were able to manage her pain and she is recovering.

As for barbed wire, that is common here and more than minor injury when it is strung right is very uncommon. I do not use it because I also had a horse have an injury with it while I was a teenager. He was never sound again. Still, my horses have hurt themselves with corral pannels, on rocks, in trees, in stalls, on t posts, etc. . .so you never know, if they can find a way - they will hurt themselves on it. . .be is barbed, wood, high tensile, whatever.
     
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    10-17-2009, 07:10 PM
  #22
Weanling
Wow. Some people are ridicules here. Not using barbed wire? How do you fence hundreds to thousands of acres? I don't think there are enough trees in Wyoming to do a wood fence.
All the vets here will NOT take payments. Payment has to be given right after treatment.
For those that wouldnt shoot their horses. Get a real honest vet to tell you that "humane euthinasa" is a joke. When the drug is given it doesnt put the horse to sleep it increases heartrate and the horse freaks out. You don't see that because the vet gives other drugs to the horse to paralize it.
I would mutch prefer a bullet.

Sorry for the above Freedom Rider, but you shouldnt be attacked.
I think you did a great job. I know how vet bills are. When I read the post I thought you and your barn owner had allot of guts to do what you did. I would have probably gotten out the gun.
You have every right to own a horse, just in case you doubted.
Where in ND are you? My OTH is up there working near Stanley.
     
    10-17-2009, 07:36 PM
  #23
Yearling
Hi there freedom rider!
Wow what a thing to have to experience! So glad that your Sweetness, has had the chance to heal.

I too have to agree with Dee and with Farmpony.
We all need to remember to be tactful and kind with our responses.

Now looking back over history, barbed wire was used all the time and this type of thing has been happening for years and years.
Given your circumstances I feel you did the best for your girl with what you had! I am certain you must have struggled within your own heart with the entire situation.
I personally don't care for barbed wire, but you do what you gotta do.
As far as using a gun for putting an animal down, when faced with a horrific situation like this one, putting the horse down in this fashion may have been the best option due to the blood loss among other things. Who knows how long it may have taken a vet to arrive on location.
Personally if I was in that situation and a vet told me they wouldn't be there for hours and hours, the last thing I would do is stand by and watch my horse suffer when the humane thing would be to put them out of misery if it was at all possible. An yes a gun does work when as others stated is done in the correct place.

Freedom Rider, you know your horse better than anyone! You know when she is in a ton of pain. I know when my horse is in pain as well. It would be a difficult thing to put into action but somehow I would get through.

One thing I try to remember to do is bring my cell phone with me when walking way out of the main barns visual. You don't alway have cell service everywhere, but you never know what will happen.
What an ordeal.
I am so glad that you decided to try and get the horse into the healing phase! You made that decision and look what the end result was.

One more thought. I am guessing Freedom rider lives in a very rural area, and some of us folks may want to consider that people who live in these area's may have differt ways of handling situation. Just as different cultures do things different and have different beliefs.

This is a friendly forum here. Lets all be happy this story had a good ending because not all of them do!

Good job with the wound and at least you kept in contact with the vet so he/she could guide you through this process.

Amazing story.

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    10-17-2009, 07:51 PM
  #24
Green Broke
Amazing story.

For all those self righteous hypocrites, I'd love a day to follow you with a video camera so we can capture every single thing you've ever done with horses and see how many "no-no's" we find. Exactly WHAT could a vet have done that she wasn't able to? Everyone always freaks the heck out and goes "ZOMFG, CALL A VET, CALL A VET!" Sorry, but sometimes it's flat out not neccesary. It looks ugly to us, but a vet could have done absolutely nothing about those wounds except what she did herself. We're on good enough terms with our vet that we coerced him into giving us a big bottle of penecillin - I am NOT calling a vet for every little infection, every little abcess. I know how to doctor a cut and I KNOW when it's beyond me and time to call a vet.

As far as whoever said a gun is "stupid", I can't stop rolling my eyes. A properly placed bullet is hands down THE most humane way to kill any animal. What in gods name do you think they've been doing for centuries?? I absolutely love how people come up with these hair brained theories that just because something is done a certain way now, that automatically makes the old way bad.

Anyway, awesome story, sorry you had to experience all that but huge kudos in bringing the mare through!
     
    10-17-2009, 08:28 PM
  #25
Yearling
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Originally Posted by thunderhooves    
how could you have not called a vet? And why would you put her down with a GUN? HOW STUPID!
Euthanasia via gunshot is a perfectly acceptable means, and this is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the AVMA. The only issue is that a horse's (and most animal's) braincase is not exactly where most people think it is. Very often people get it wrong and hit the sinus which is a horrific thing for both human and horse. If you know exactly where to shoot the horse, it is both an instantaneous and painless death. If you cannot afford to bury your horse more than 6 feet (to prevent the accidental poisoning of wildlife) or you do not have a dump you can take the horse to, this is in fact the best way to euthanize since you cannot render a horse once it is full of a huge amount of barbituates.
     
    10-17-2009, 08:39 PM
  #26
Started
I hope no one took my comment about calling the vet to have been an insult. I simply meant that I don't think I'd have been able to scrub the wound with the horse thrashing about like that. I'd be afraid of making it worse.

I had a post on here earlier that seems to have disappeared? It said that It looks to be healing well and it looks like the OP had the know-how to handle the situation.

I don't love barbed wire, but cows will simply walk straight through a plain wire fence, or push down a wood fence. The only fence a cow respects is electric or barbed wire. If you have cattle, you just need the barbed wire.

Honestly, I think the wound looks great considering the circumstances.
     
    10-17-2009, 08:47 PM
  #27
Trained
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Originally Posted by LeahKathleen    
Oh god. I would have SO called the vet... good gracious.

If you read in one of the OP's posts regarding this, you will notice that he did call the vet...several.

I think if I were in that same boat, I may have done the same thing; depending on where the OP actually lives, traveling to the vet may have been the difference between the horse bleeding to death, and having a chance at healing. True, she may have more scarring because she wasn't able to be sutured, but she IS alive, and sound...who can argue about that outcome??? I live in an area that the closest GOOD vet is probably 3 hours away...I have alot of experience working along side vets, and have alot of medications because of that, and do have a few back in my home state that I can still consult with, but depending on the circumstance, I would not risk hauling a horse that long, in order to get medical attention. You do what you have to do in an emergency situation, especially if you are so far away from a competent one.
     
    10-17-2009, 08:52 PM
  #28
Started
Quote:
Originally Posted by mom2pride    
If you read in one of the OP's posts regarding this, you will notice that he did call the vet...several.
And if you read the post I just made before yours, you'll see that I meant that I would not have trusted myself to cut excess flesh from a wound like that. The most I could have done without a vet's direction would have been to hose the wound and clean it to the best of my ability.

Furthermore, the OP mentioned the equine surgeon well after I made my comment about calling the vet.

In any case, it looks like it's healing quite fine. Just needs a little more time to heal.
     
    10-17-2009, 08:58 PM
  #29
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeahKathleen    
And if you read the post I just made before yours, you'll see that I meant that I would not have trusted myself to cut excess flesh from a wound like that. The most I could have done without a vet's direction would have been to hose the wound and clean it to the best of my ability.

Furthermore, the OP mentioned the equine surgeon well after I made my comment about calling the vet.

In any case, it looks like it's healing quite fine. Just needs a little more time to heal.
I think we were posting at the same time, because it wasn't there when I started my post...

And you did state "I would have called the vet" twice, once was before he explained, and the other time was after he explained that he had consulted several vets...I don't think the second expression was necessary...really; everyone has already chewed this owner to death...
     
    10-17-2009, 09:04 PM
  #30
Started
I did state it twice - once after the original post, and once after I saw the photos - I didn't see that the OP said she'd already called the equine surgeon.

I've also stated that I don't think the owner did anything wrong by not calling the vet, just that had I been in that situation, I'd have made the call to have the vet out.

Now, we can argue all we want, but we're essentially agreeing that the owner did a good job, so why are we nitpicking over a comment that I already explained?

Sillybunny told the OP that she shouldn't own horses - I simply said that I'd have had the vet out because I wouldn't have been able to handle that situation the way she did.
     

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