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    09-16-2010, 06:55 PM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Northern    
Young horses try to gain sympathy from their alphas all of the time, by lowering their heads & moving their mouths in a suckling fashion, the message being, "Don't hurt me; see, I'm just a baby!" It works, or else they'd drop it.
That's showing submission, not trying to gain sympathy. What exactly is your definition of sympathy?
     
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    09-17-2010, 08:56 AM
  #12
Weanling
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh a horse is so simple it makes it complex. This horse probably just has a tender hoof and can't tolerate the hard impact of hard surfaces...BUT the rabbit went wondering off on all kinds of deep, thought invoking trails on this one.

Horses and feelings...do they have them or do they not? I think they have a purer more concise "emotional" level than humans. They have a little society devoid of all of the BS humans have. Take the whole "dominance/submission" aspect of a horse. I hate the word dominance when describing their relationship...because dominance in humans is often abused...it is used as a weapon to exploit the weaker in a relationship...horses do not exploit it...it is more about confidence. They have power they yet again do not use for ill gotten purposes...they just are so in tune...they exist collectively in harmony devoid of all of the petty BS we do. I often sit amazed at how simple, concise, and effective they are...ahhhhhhhhhhhhh ode to my horse...my teacher...may I follow in your hoofprints and learn the secrets of your soul......your simple, honest truths.
     
    09-17-2010, 07:08 PM
  #13
Yearling
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Originally Posted by herdbound    
Horses and feelings...do they have them or do they not?
I said that they can't have sympathy pains, not that they don't have feelings.
     
    09-17-2010, 08:17 PM
  #14
Yearling
I feel that some of the statements ponyboy and I have made in this thread have been misconstrued. I observed that there was no unassailable empirical evidence that horses can do arithmetic and you argued that horses are intelligent and have feelings, as though I'd said they weren't and didn't and then you basically drew a dichotomy between people who think horses are "beasts" (me, apparently) and people who think they are sentient, intelligent creatures.

One's ability to do math is not the sole indicator, or any indicator at all really, of intelligence, insofar as it's measurable (it's really not, to be fair).

I think horses are capable of deductive reasoning. Of course they are. "Plastic bags have carrots in them. My owner is holding a plastic bag. Therefore she must have a carrot." I just don't think they know their multiplication tables. So what? Neither do I.
     
    09-19-2010, 09:49 PM
  #15
Started
They act submissive to gain sympathy/gentle treatment. A dog lies on its back in hopes of same treatment. Sympathetic treatment is gentle treatment.

We have no idea how deep feelings of sympathy/empathy can go in horses' hearts, so we shouldn't proclaim their limitations. I've read quite a few accounts of horses' sympathizing trans-species-wise, as well.

Herdbound, I agree that horses have their sympathy & other instincts together, but humans not so much.
     

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