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    06-25-2012, 09:57 AM
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A HUGE RANT, guess I don't know anything at all.

I just have to rant... I guess my experience in horses, vet care, etc is just not enough when you are young and know everything.
A friend is probably getting a horse for her daughter. The ONLY reason she is getting this horse is because the lady who owns the horse will let them make payments. This is a 5 year old mare, 150 days training, ready to go in any direction. Gentle but has GO...... To much for her 10 year old daughter. Used in 4-H.
This mare will be trained on barrels. Now, it gets better. She is Impressive bred THREE times......... Sire is N/N... Dam is N/H. I have asked and told her to ask the owner the status on mare. This know it all friend says" the owner has lost a horse before, so would not do this to my daughter, so I am not worried". AUGH.......................
Had never heard of HYPP until I asked about status.
Plus, the owner says this mare will make a barrel horse. Yet is totally halter bred..
I just see an accident waiting to happen.......... what a mess.. Beating head against wall.
     
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    06-25-2012, 10:11 AM
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Showing
How frustrating. It's hard to watch a potential train wreck in the making and not be able to change it's course.

Have a similar story (feel free to share with your friend if you want) A good friend of mine, was one of my mom's riding students was looking for a show horse. (this was many years ago) She found a mare she fell in love with. My mom very much tried to dissuade her from purchasing. She was by a well known hypp carrier. When my mom went to see the mare there were some warning signs. Owner gave friend papers with negative status and assured her the mare was good to go. She bought her despite my mom's warnings.

A month later, in the middle of a pleasure class the mare had an attack and went down, over backwards on top of my friend. She had to be rushed to the hospital and had an emergency hysterectomy at 17 years old. Had the mare put down and re-tested and she was indeed positive. She was sold with falsified test reports.

I hope that your friend will at least have her tested. Aside from the horse sounding like a horrible fit for what they want at least that could eliminate one worry.
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    06-25-2012, 10:15 AM
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Green Broke
That is just terrible. I hate that some people will say amlost anything just to get a horse sold.
     
    06-25-2012, 11:03 AM
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Weanling
One can only do so much when bo9ne heads don't want to listen. All you can do is step back and let her learn by her mistakes. And when it happens and it will happen then step up and say "Maybe next time you will listen" Then walk away. That's all you can do. Get anymore involved and something happens then she can turn and say it was you. And heck you do not need that in your pocket. JMHO

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    06-25-2012, 11:06 AM
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Oh I know. I am seeing the red flags flying all over the place however, she can make payments and take the horse now..... so "its all good".... UGH.
If this mare was so wonderful, why would she be selling it for low low price for such a "well bred" mare??????????????? Hmmm, wish I could find out the status myself of HYPP, just for my own curiousity. The copy of thepapers were all blurry..
Okay, so this mare is 5 and registered. Will it say on the papers the status or how does that work? I have always stayed away from Impressive, so other that what I know, I know nothing about the registration status and such. Maybe I am worrying for nothing.
Funny thing, a full sister to this mare was N/N and sold for alot of money, yet this mare is under $1000.... What does that tell me???????? Yea, her status is not tested or is N/H like the mother.. is that possible?
     
    06-25-2012, 11:10 AM
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Weanling
Just a quick Q, whats HYPP?
     
    06-25-2012, 11:11 AM
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The woman has been warned and too bad so sad if it turns out badly. BUT, when a child is involved, I hope and pray nothing bad happens to her. I've seen so many train wrecks with kids over-horsed!
     
    06-25-2012, 11:37 AM
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Yearling
Spirit is Impressive bred all down the sires side of her pedigree but is N/N.

Impressive is notorious as the primary source of the widespread genetic disease known as Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis (HYPP). Although Impressive was not known to have exhibited any symptoms of the disease himself, gradually it became evident that many horses tracing to Impressive were afflicted with the painful, alarming, and often fatal disease Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis (HYPP). Further, it has never been observed in horses not descendants of his line. HYPP is a dominant gene, and as such, all animals with even one copy of the gene, identified as "N/H", will exhibits some symptoms of the disease. Horses with two copies, identified as "H/H." will always pass on the condition, and research suggests that H/H horses may have more severe symptoms that N/H horses.

After a number of years of debate, effective since January 1, 2007, the AQHA amended rule 205(c)(3) and rule Rule 227(e) to require all descendants of Impressive to be tested prior to being registered, and ban from registration all horses born after January 1, 2007 with HYPP genetics confirmed by DNA testing to be homozygous for the condition (H/H).

However, other breed registries that accept animals with Quarter Horse bloodlines, including the American Paint Horse Association and the Appaloosa Horse Club, have yet to bar such animals. There is currently a widespread effort among many breeders to eliminate the disease by selective breeding, but there are those who continue to breed without regard for it, seeking the muscular enhancement correlated with it, and in doing so perpetuate the disease's existence.
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    06-25-2012, 11:41 AM
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Yearling
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Originally Posted by OwnedByAlli    
Just a quick Q, whats HYPP?
It's a bad genetic condition that can cause the horse to seize up in a paralytic fit. It seems to be a genetic mutation that came from a single horse (the "Impressive" that wyoming mentions). No one knew this horse had the bad gene and he was bred like crazy 20 years ago and more. Google HYPP and you'll read all about it.
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    06-25-2012, 11:48 AM
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Weanling
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Originally Posted by SpiritLifter    
Spirit is Impressive bred all down the sires side of her pedigree but is N/N.

Impressive is notorious as the primary source of the widespread genetic disease known as Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis (HYPP). Although Impressive was not known to have exhibited any symptoms of the disease himself, gradually it became evident that many horses tracing to Impressive were afflicted with the painful, alarming, and often fatal disease Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis (HYPP). Further, it has never been observed in horses not descendants of his line. HYPP is a dominant gene, and as such, all animals with even one copy of the gene, identified as "N/H", will exhibits some symptoms of the disease. Horses with two copies, identified as "H/H." will always pass on the condition, and research suggests that H/H horses may have more severe symptoms that N/H horses.

After a number of years of debate, effective since January 1, 2007, the AQHA amended rule 205(c)(3) and rule Rule 227(e) to require all descendants of Impressive to be tested prior to being registered, and ban from registration all horses born after January 1, 2007 with HYPP genetics confirmed by DNA testing to be homozygous for the condition (H/H).

However, other breed registries that accept animals with Quarter Horse bloodlines, including the American Paint Horse Association and the Appaloosa Horse Club, have yet to bar such animals. There is currently a widespread effort among many breeders to eliminate the disease by selective breeding, but there are those who continue to breed without regard for it, seeking the muscular enhancement correlated with it, and in doing so perpetuate the disease's existence.
AQHA should also be taking the same stance on PSSM1 now that it can be identified by simple blood work.

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