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post #21 of 53 Old 04-24-2010, 12:25 AM
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I think it's very .. what's the word... interesting... that this disease could be 100% eradicated in one generation if every H/H and N/H horse was not bred, and yet it's still rampant.
I know a few very lovely H/H and N/H horses that have led very good lives, I'm not saying that the horses themselves aren't great, but a HyPP attack is heart- and gut-wrenching at best. It's a horrible disease that no horse should be subjected to. In my opinion, this disease should not exist; it is so simple to get rid of, you just don't breed an affected horse.. so why isn't it gone...?
Very well said JDI. I've been saying the same thing since I bought my Impressive mare back in 2001. I knew nothing of HYPP when I bought her, but caught up quick. It sickens me that breeders actually TRY for N/H or H/H horses. It makes me very angry that it has taken this long, 20 years, for the AQHA and other breed registries to finally START to do anything about it, and they have a long way to go...
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Grade horses should not be bred in the first place, unless they are adults with a proven top show record and stellar conformation. I do agree that they should also be tested, for every genetic abnormality and/or disease/defect that can be tested for, across the board.
I'm not pushing to breed grade horses, I was just saying that I don't think they are the problem. It is purebred, halter type stock horses that are bred specifically for a certain "look."

But I will say, that I do think there is something to hybrid vigor. I have no problems with grade horses, and at some point I fear horses will be like many dog breeds, with each breed known for specific genetic defects.

"Mutts" tend to be healthier than purebreds. I don't think we need to specifically breed for mutts, because a lot of them are happy accidents anyway. I just wish breeders of purebred animals would take more responsibility for the future of the breeds of their choosing and try to improve each generation. In other words, always have the future of the breed in mind with each animal you breed. Don't let ribbons or money get in the way of the future your favorite breed!
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Mutts are only healthier if you start with two healthy parents. Crossbreeds ("designer dogs") can have just as many health issues as their purebred counterparts.
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Grade horses should not be bred in the first place, unless they are adults with a proven top show record and stellar conformation. I do agree that they should also be tested, for every genetic abnormality and/or disease/defect that can be tested for, across the board.
Unless I've missed something, there are no 'top shows' for grades... only the occasional open show which means much of nothing in the show world

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Unless I've missed something, there are no 'top shows' for grades... only the occasional open show which means much of nothing in the show world
This is not really an accurate statement. There are always the H/J type shows. Then you have things like the NRHA NRCHA NCHA and so on which do not require registration papers. Given most of these horses are registered b/c people want to know the horses lines. As it is important however grades can show in these areas. I am sure there are other areas that have large shows with good pay backs that allow grades. NBHA is anouther that comes to mind.

I personally would still not breed grades but there are places to show the ones that are already here or those who have lost their papers.

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post #26 of 53 Old 04-26-2010, 01:12 AM
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Unless I've missed something, there are no 'top shows' for grades... only the occasional open show which means much of nothing in the show world
  • Hunters
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All of the above events can be shown by any breed of horse, or unregistered horses. Horses competing at top levels of these events garner top prices, with or without a pedigree.
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I have to agree with Wild_Spot on the lack of education about HyPP in Australia. I've known about it for quite a while, because I research everything but in my area, its amazing the amount of people who've never heard of it. My old trainer did not know what HyPP was and she was a WP trainer. Thats one of the many reasons why I do not train there anymore.

In my area, QH's are becoming more popular at PC and ag shows and most english riders are unaware of HyPP. I think that breeding HyPP out is a thing that we need to address and it certainly isn't something we should continue to grow anymore.

As for breeding grades horses, you shouldn't unless they are open show winners etc. Breeding is all about making the best of each and every breed and improving the breed.
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Angry Grrrr at UnEthical Breeders

I was just on Dreamhorse.com and was really disgusted to see a beautiful mare advertised as a broodmare who is hypp n/h
The seller has a website advertising their supposedly "High Quality" Quarter horses. Un-ethical breeders piss me off! It's people like that, are the reason that disease even still exists! Dont breed animals with known genetic defects!!!!! What is wrong with that?!?!?!
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post #29 of 53 Old 07-01-2010, 01:42 AM
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I was just on Dreamhorse.com and was really disgusted to see a beautiful mare advertised as a broodmare who is hypp n/h
The seller has a website advertising their supposedly "High Quality" Quarter horses. Un-ethical breeders piss me off! It's people like that, are the reason that disease even still exists! Dont breed animals with known genetic defects!!!!! What is wrong with that?!?!?!
I agree with you 100%. It's one thing to breed a horse that you don't know has a defect and sadly the foal has it, but to breed a horse with a genetic defect on purpose is just irresponsible. Actually, irresponsible is a understatement. It is just plain terrible!

What's sad is around here people think "papers" are everything. Like you ask them about a horse they are selling and the first thing they want to do is show you the horse's papers and list off all the big name horses in it's pedigree. Well, actually I could practically care less about the whose-who in a horse's pedigree. What I want to know is what THIS individual horse can do or has done. What is it's training and temperment like. What kind of experience does it have, does it ride alone? That's the kind of stuff I want to know. But people think that if they rattle off some famous horses in their horse's pedigree it will really impress you.

I guess that turned into a mini rant, didn't it? But my point is, sound, healthy, well trained horses are what's important. A horse can look pretty AND be healthy, can it not? So let's not breed for a known genetic disease, shall we?
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post #30 of 53 Old 07-01-2010, 02:20 AM
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Dear Trailhorserider :)

Thanks for the response! Yeah, I totally had to get that off my chest too! So it's nice to come to a place with some like minded people. I really wanted to give that lady a piece of my mind, but /sigh I don't think that anything would get through that thick skull anyways. But I did have to ask her why she was listed as a broodmare when she has hypp? And of course her response was and I quote "She is bred to N/N stallions. She is absolutely gorgeous & her bloodlines are incredible. There are many people out there that prefer N/H horses to breed for BIG, naturally muscular halter horses." blah blah blah all I hear is $$$$$ is all I care about and if BIG fat and sick is what sells then that's what I'll give'em. Unethical and Irresponsible are understatements for unfortunately the majority of animal breeders, not just limited to the horse world either! Poor canines got it bad too! I always dreamed of breeding and showing gorgeous QH's as a girl, but now as an adult I've given that up because I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice the health of my horse to meet someone elses twisted standard for whats beautiful /sigh again Very sad indeed.
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