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    04-25-2011, 10:58 AM
Not a splint.

I agree on needing an ultrasound. You can not see tendon/ligament injuries on X-rays.

What I see in the photo looks like wind puffs. He might always be prone to puffing up because of his past injury.

I am not sure I would assume it is the same old injury doing the same old thing. Do a full lameness exam and determine exactly where your horse is lame and then ultrasound that area.
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    04-25-2011, 11:55 AM
I just keep thinking wind puffs in my head they look identical to my mares but she has them in her hind no issue from hers though
    04-25-2011, 12:33 PM
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The first thing I would do is a get a better farrier/trimmer. Those feet look quite unbalanced. Hooves that aren't well balanced can and will make any other underlying issues worse.

I also agree that his injury as a young horse and likely unbalanced feet at that time as well, made his tendons/ligaments not develop properly.

As for treatment, I would want the leg ultrasounded to check for soft tissue damage and then go from there. Have the vet look at both feet as well, to check for hoof balance/function.

If the new vet can't find anything, I would put him on a good joint supplement like Cora-Flx and add an extra dose of 10,000 mg of MSM. Keep him booted during work and limit him to walk/trot. I would pasture him only with other "calm" horses to help reduce the running/playing. Maybe some older pissy mares .

Good luck and keep us updated when you get him looked at again.
    04-25-2011, 12:44 PM
Green Broke
I've done the farrier dance too. That's the main reason I started trimming my own! It's really not rocket science; I have no idea why so many farriers trim so poorly... Since you know your horses, you will be able to adjust your trim based on what you see everyday. If he were mine, I'd start with addressing the flares, lowering the heels a bit, scooping the quarters a tad, and put a mild rocker on the toes to ease breakover. I'd let him set for 2 weeks and watch him. Then I'd do all of that again, as well as lower the heel on the left foot some more (it looks high as compared to the left), but only by a little, and see how he does with that. I would trim him every 2-3 weeks for a while until I figured out how he likes his feet trimmed best. I trim 7 horses and they all are a bit different! (four are mine and three are boarders)
    04-25-2011, 01:08 PM
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You can take this horse to a good lameness Vet. A good Vet will start at the hoof and go up with a comprehensive exam. He (she) should not have any preconceived ideas of what is hurting. That can get you in a lot of trouble.

If the exam shows the Vet where the problem is, then that is what will be x-rayed or ultra-sounded.

If the problem cannot be pin-pointed, then nerve blocks, progressing up from the toe, should be used to identify the spot. Never let a Vet start doing random x-rays unless he knows exactly where the pain is coming from.

If it were me, I would first flex that questionable ankle very tightly (flex no other joint at the same time). I would pinch the swelled area while it is flexed to see if the horse shows any tenderness. After keeping the fetlock joint tightly flexed for 1 1/2 to 2 minutes, have someone immediately trot the horse off. If there is a problem there, it will almost always make the horse markedly more lame. The horse may trot out of it, but those first few steps should be VERY lame.

If you want to try one last thing before spending several hundred dollars on a years late exam, you could put a hard blister on the area. I would use Reducine, available OTC. It comes in a blue can and is pretty remarkable stuff. It takes several weeks to do it properly. You clip the area and brush the stuff in with a stiff old brush (like a toothbrush). When it gets too tender to do (usually about a week) you give it a week off. Then, do it again. Do this repeatedly. It will blister but will not scar.

You can also get a hard, 1 time blister, like a red mercury blister, but I have found Reducine to be much more effective. [For those interested, it will completely remove a splint -- even very old ones.]

I also have a leg Vet that will do a deep injectable internal blister on some things. He has saved many horses with his procedure that were given up on by other leg Vets. He has done 2 of mine and one of those was lame for more than a year and had been seen repeatedly by a local Vet. She is sound and being ridden hard to this day and was injected about 5 years ago. I know of several that went on to barrel race at a World level and roping horses that went to the NFR after he injected them that way.
    04-30-2011, 11:33 PM
Hello! So sorry for your trouble. I have shown this to my husband who is a farrier.

He says, "As a farrier, the first thing that I would look at is the hooves. It appears in this photo that the hooves are 'steep angled hooves', meaning that the heals look too long. It is hard to say with just the photos you sent but if you pick the feet up the heels should be at the same height as the sole. If the heals are longer than the sole, they will start to stress the tendons in the foot/leg. Please look at my website, particularly the bare foot trim to learn how to correctly balance the hooves when trimming your horses feet. An unbalanced foot, like it appears to be in the photo, will cause many problems like the tenderness that you are describing. If your horse is carrying its weight on just the hoof walls and not the sole, frog and hoof wall it cannot grow a strong healthy hoof."

Since I just signed up for this forum tonight I have not had a chance to read all the rules. Feel free to contact us at scratcher -at- yourfreehorse.com so I can give you the web site address. I will be reading the rules and getting my whole profile together soon. Just wanted to help ASAP.

Wishing you the best!
    05-01-2011, 02:22 AM
I agree that the horses feet do not look great, he does look too long in the heel, and he is not breaking over properly, likely stressing his legs. He is too upright, probably due to the trimming and maybe also just conformation. I had a mare that had swelling just like this horse, the vet did some injections on her tendon sheath and it was not a problem again for the remaining year I owned her for. But, my mare was not as significantly lame as your horse.

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