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post #21 of 127 Old 12-25-2009, 12:23 PM
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How would he find out it was her? The authorities aren't going to tell him, they legally can't. She doesn't even have to tell THEM her name if she doesn't want to.

That's just silly.
Not silly, in our area everyone knows everyone and eventually after asking around people know. Totally different in a big city. Besides there are places on line you can find out criminal info. She did. Why don't you think that someone wouldn't have access. And by the way if I call in around here they not only can tell who you are from your phone number, but also require your name in order to go out. Otherwise if you don't give your name they just blow you off.
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post #22 of 127 Old 12-25-2009, 12:29 PM
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Every animal control unit I've EVER called has gone out on any call, regardless of whether the caller gave a name. It's absurd that a unit would ignore a call in because the caller wished to remain anonymous.

Here, someone there would be no way to know who called on you, even if you asked around the neighborhood.
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post #23 of 127 Old 12-25-2009, 04:58 PM
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Personally, I would have done the same thing. Yeah, sometimes there's an explanation - but sometimes there's not, and that's when people get defensive and potentially dangerous.

A registered sex offender? I'm not putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation by confronting the guy. Maybe he'd have a good reason, but that's not worth putting myself in danger.
Wow was what I said taken out of contest. In NO WAY would I EVER suggest to go confront ANYONE, let alone someone just out of prison, saying your horses are starving and neglected. All I was saying is maybe have a chat, over the fence if need be. Maybe there is a perfectly legitimate reason for it.

If someone calls AC on you - THERE IS A PERMANENT RECORD OF IT. Even if they don't take any action because all is fine - It is on record that you have had AC out to your property which can be a major disadvantage in many different aspects of the horse world.

Now there are things in your further posts that weren't in your earlier post - Which make the situation sound worse. In your situation maybe I would have, maybe I wouldn't have called. I wouldn't know until I saw the horses. But I do know that I would never take the extreme action of reporting someone for animal cruelty/abuse 1. Without having a CHAT - Not interogating or confronting, that is just counter-productive, and 2. Without facts - Not "I don't THINK the vet has been out" "I don't THINK the fence is secure" etc. But hey, that's just me.

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Wild_spot, my post was not in direct response to yours. There were posts suggesting that it if you don't talk to the owners first, you're a bad person for calling, and I disagree. You have an obligation to the horses that you feel need help.

I just think that it's better not to express that kind of concern with strangers. Around here, people can be very defensive about their animals, ESPECIALLY when they know they are at fault. Even if the guy wasn't a sex offender, I would look at the circumstances (i.e. Property condition, etc) and decided whether or not it would be safe for me to approach that person.
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post #25 of 127 Old 12-25-2009, 07:28 PM
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Every animal control unit I've EVER called has gone out on any call, regardless of whether the caller gave a name. It's absurd that a unit would ignore a call in because the caller wished to remain anonymous.

Here, someone there would be no way to know who called on you, even if you asked around the neighborhood.
And that is the way it should be, but every state and service is different. I am in Illinois and they have always requested a name and location of the person calling in. I know, I have a friend who works at the local shelter. They get too many complaints that are caused by neighborly disagreements that turn bad and someone calls in because they are PO'd at their neighbor. With cost cuts everywhere animal control doesn't have a ton of people to chase down these complaints and if you don't give the required information they don't go.

And your name can be revealed. Part of the law is the right for the defendant to know their accuser if this would go to court.
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It peeves me a little bit that someone would be very agitated that AC comes out to their house. They are just doing their job, get over it. If they have to spend a few mintues of my time, that's fine. Id rather them investigate every lead instead of none at all. What if they chose not to come out when something was actually wrong and a horse was suffering??

It takes alot of guts to call AC, and I think most of the time people don't call because they get flack/ or afraid of getting flack from people. I don't know anyone who has regreted calling AC and know alot of people who do regret not calling them. You are not an expert(most people on this forum arent), they are. If you see something, you shouldnt feel guilty about calling, you could be saving an animal. The AC agents aren't everywere, so they NEED tips from people like you to make sure they are doing all they can. I'm glad you too some initiative! Let us know if you see things improving over there.
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I haven't been on this forum in a long time, and now I remember why.
Never in a million years did I think I would come to the horse forum, where people have horses in their best interest, and get called out for reporting animal cruelty. I can't imagine why people are this immature to be arguing about this.


UPDATE: Today we had a winter storm warning for freezing rain and snow. I drove by the house and guess what! The horses have no shelter, and are standing in the freezing rain.
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post #28 of 127 Old 12-26-2009, 12:38 AM
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Well I think the OP did the right thing. There are some cases where the person may not be comfortable or safe saying anything about the horses. I wish I could say there were authorities in my area that would take care of cruelty quickly. A few years ago it took 2 horses dying, 1 loosing an eye, and a threat to get a news crew out to get authorities to seize 8 horses being kept on enough pasture, but left with no water source, and only given 1 small bale of hay a week. One mare had a foal at her side. The pasture was overgrown with polk salad (poisonous plant) and kudzu. There was no grass to substitute for the shortage of hay.

What made me even more angry was that one of the more welll-known "horsemen" of the area drove past there every day and never said a thing. I would rather have someone report me on a horse that I was trying to fatten up and get a response than it take that much to get someone to save starving and dying horses. There is a permanent record, but if there is a legitimate reason it is recorded as well.
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I have to say I would have done the same thing. I think it was interesting how you found out the info on this person. Just me, but I would not have tried to contact this person. Sometimes you just never know. We have something what I like to call the "gut ping" it is a good barometer for things just like this. I suspect that you have driven by this place often enough to know that things already looked a little shady....I think you did the right thing.
Good for you. Animals don't have a voice to tell us when something is wrong. With the facts you presented about their weight and the weather situation well to me their condition could rapidly deterioate (sp).
Lets hope the AC will investigate soon and check things out.
Keep us posted.
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post #30 of 127 Old 12-26-2009, 02:17 AM
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I haven't been on this forum in a long time, and now I remember why.
Never in a million years did I think I would come to the horse forum, where people have horses in their best interest, and get called out for reporting animal cruelty. I can't imagine why people are this immature to be arguing about this.
*sigh* Have you seriously not read anything i've written? I'm not saying you did the wrong thing - I'm not saying you are bad or mean or whatever - I'm simply presenting a different point of view. If that offends you so much then maybe you should leave - Most people on this forum have opinions that differ, yet they still express them.

I KNOW how heartbreaking it is seeing horses being neglected/starved/not getting vet care. I have watched my dad's boss neglect numerous horses for about 9 years, and watched one of his horses waste away and die because he was too lazy/stingy to feed, worm, or get a vet out. Do you have any idea how heartbreaking it is to watch that and NOT be able to report it because my dad would lose his job? It really isn't a nice thing to imply that I don't care about any animal cruelty - Just because I presented a different view on the situation.

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