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post #11 of 19 Old 12-13-2008, 09:52 AM
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I'd be a little more suspicious of pain in the front feet myself, as well/concurrent to colic, since if he's colicking, toxin production from something he ate (or gut disturbance) can result in founder. I am curious to why you'd lunge a horse when they are sore after a trim? I have never heard of that, please educate? Tks
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post #12 of 19 Old 12-13-2008, 10:00 AM
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Couple more thoughts - sudden change in feed addition (rice bran) as opposed to gradual; stomach tube by vet with a epsom salts was the last time I had an impaction colic treated - it draws water into the gut as opposed to lubricating it with mineral oil and blocking the ability to absorb nutrient. The mineral oil went in the other end. I'd be at the vet on this one if he isn't defectaing regularly. Course it could just be spasmodic which the banamine takes care of. That's the beauty of colic...hard to figure out, even for vet. One vet ready to put down an old gelding of mine who'd gotten the sheep's alfalfa(she figured it was twisted gut based on gut sounds - he wasn't a surgery option) called another vet for a second opinion. 2nd vet arrives and gelding had been given banamine in the meantime to make him comfy and he's pooping and gut sounds are perfectly normal. Old bugger lived seven more years. Tough to figure but waiting in the wrong situation can kill them. Sometimes calling the vet can too!
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That's what I was wondering about. Horse has sore tootsies, don't work him, give him a tad bit of bute to take the sting out and let his feet rest up or put him in boots. No work unless his feet are comfy.. Pain in the hooves can certainly cause colic.. Upsets their tummies, same as it does ours.

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if teh pain is causing the colic NO BUTE it can make any and all stomach issues WORSE!!!

the vet really needs to see this horse ASAP

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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Change in eating habits, pain after eating---both of these may point to ulcers. Mild recurrent colics especially after eating are a symptom of ulcers.

Anytime your horse appears colicy, take his pulse and respiration rate and call your vet. A phone call is free and your vet can help you determine if this is a serious emergency or likely to be mild (at least at this point) enough that you can try a bit of walking before calling him out. Also remove all food/hay/grass and allow only water until the colic is completely resolved---you don't want to go back to feeding for several hours after colic to ensure that it's over and you are't "adding fuel to the fire".

As for the rice bran question, at the equine hospital we saw a increase in gas colics after the addition of rice bran to a horse's diet. But it is also possible that a horse is allergic to rice bran though not terribly likely.

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I agree with what everyone said ... especially about the manure looking dry--this is not good, and a sure sign of colic. My horse just colicked about three weeks ago, and she had some of the symptoms you mentioned, like stretching, and just generally "acting weird." Definitely get some mineral oil into him, as well as water, through a dewormer-sized syringe. Keep him walking. Try not to let him lie down, because you really don't want him to roll. Because his abdomen is tense, rolling can cause a twisting of the intestines, which requires surgical treatment. I'm sure you've already called your vet out by now, and he'll probably put his arm up your horse's butt to check for twisting and fill him up with fluids. Give your vet all the details of what's happened. Also, a good thing to do in a case of colic is to write everything down in a notebook.

*Hugs* I know how you feel because I just went through it recently. I know its hard, but try not to panic. Your horse needs you to think rationally. Hope everything turns out ok. Keep us updated!

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I would actually suggest against giving him mineral oil.
When my gelding coliced back in June, he was acting very weird, we thought his feet hurt him and he was laying down (He just had his feet trimmed that day) he wasn't interested in food or anything.
Anyways, our vet doesn't give the horses mineral oil just incase they need to have surgery. he said it can actually make it worse if they have to open the horse up.
I would walk him and let him drink until you can get the vet out there. I personally wouldn't wait around to see if my horse got better/worse. I would want the vet out there ASAP.
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While it may may a person feel better to give water and mineral oil with a syringe, you are not going to be getting sufficient amounts down your horse to do much good. When a vet tubes a horse and gives these things it's generally in the neighborhood of 6 liters of water and 1 liter of mineral oil. Also, if you end up getting mineral oil down your horse's airway it can lead to life threatening pneumonia. The comment about mineral oil and surgery is also another good reason to have a vet exam---rectal exams help the vet to determine the likelihood that surgery is necessary before going ahead with extensive treatment.

For someone who has never dealt with colic, it's always better to call the vet immediately and get some professional help.

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Since this is your first instance with collic, definately have the vet out, and ask him to walk you through all the steps and levels of collic 1-10. As well as what can cause it. Winter definately increases the chances of collic, horses don't like cold water, if your'es doesn't seem to be drinking enough, add some salt to his feed. The extra salt will make him thirsty and he'll have to drink more. You can also add a splash of the mineral oil to his water pail if he drinks alone to keep the insides running. Collic is BEST handled if you never get to it.

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