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post #21 of 36 Old 11-16-2009, 07:13 PM Thread Starter
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Once again, many thanks. She does not have a computer to my knowledge but I will find a way to get her to read these articles. Who knows, they could end up benefitting her horses as well.

Edit - And I will definitely check out that company!

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post #22 of 36 Old 11-16-2009, 07:19 PM
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You're more than welcome and good luck!

Oh, another article. You can print this one. It's three (web) pages long. It's a good one on the benefits of hay.
http://www.myhorse.com/health/feeds/let_em_eat_hay.aspx#top

Hay cubes are still technically a forrage product, so they're fine if she doesn't want to feed baled hay. She just needs to make sure she's feeding enough. For a 1,000 lb horse, she should be feeding 20-30 lbs a day, about 1/2 of a 50 lb bag. If her horses get too fat, tell her to cut back on the grain .
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post #23 of 36 Old 11-16-2009, 08:14 PM
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are still forced to feed some alfalfa/grass mix cubes and beet pulp to supplement the hay.
Cubes and beet pulp are both good forage/substitute forage - So you are still working off the same principles.

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#1, Feed your horse hay.. horses need their roughage, and grass is their natural food.

#2, Hay is what produces body heat to keep your horse warm, not grain. The cubes she's feeding is her horses only saving grace.

#3 Her horses eating manure shows a serious lack of substance in their diets

This lady M is crazy. If you can't/don't trust her to properly care for your horse, and you can't be there daily to care for your own horse and make sure he/she gets hay'ed, move your horse.

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beet pulp isnt truely a substitute for hay cubes. beet pulp has relatively low nutrients, and usually sweetend with molasses. Beet pulp is the skin of beets, the left overs. I am almost 100% sure alfalfa (or any hay) is more nutrient rich then beet pulp.

I feel pellets vs cubes simply because cubes take longer to soak and the ones on the top of the bucket sometimes dont get enough water. even if you dont give any or enough water with pellets they will go down fine.

Holey crap 1/2 bag of cubes a day ($16 here)!! It would just be cheeper to buy a bale of hay ($2.5-5 here). I a bale would even last longer.
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it would cost about $240 to feed cubes here, vs $75 for hay, over a months time, just for one horse. Unless there is no good hay for a reasonable price, M is wasting alot of money on forage.
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beet pulp isnt truely a substitute for hay cubes. beet pulp has relatively low nutrients, and usually sweetend with molasses. Beet pulp is the skin of beets, the left overs. I am almost 100% sure alfalfa (or any hay) is more nutrient rich then beet pulp.
Yup, not as high nutrient-wise, but still a suitable forage substitute of you have nothing else. I also make sure to buy beet-pulp without any molasses.

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Depending on how she is worked, the percentage goes up or down - usually, for a low worked to pasture only horse, you want 1.5% of their weight in feed, and about 1% to 1.25 % in hay is ideal, according to our vet, and he is a senior prof. at the Ohio State Equine Studies program.
I would feed a complete feed, no doubt, like a senior or other complete feed if you end up going without any or much hay.
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10 lbs of hay, grass hay anyway, is not enough (1% of a 1,000 lb horse). More hay is better. Horses really only need grain if they can't keep their weight on using quality hay, or they have other physical reasons (can't chew or are really hard keepers).

More recent studies by vets and independent researchers (NOT paid by the feed companies) has shown that feeding 2-3% of grass hay, timothy, or mixed hay is healthier for most horses, with minimal amounts of grain. A simple vitamin supplement can make up for any vit/min deficiencies in most hay, which would make grain not needed in any measurable amount.

A horse should be fed enough hay to be kept in good condition (feel the ribs but not see them) and kept from developing vices (wood chewing or cribbing) or ulcers. One study showed that 70% of stalled show horses have some form of ulcers. This is mostly due to restricted hay/grazing and high amounts of grain products, topped with the stress of being stalled and in training/showing. Show horses that received more turnout time and higher amounts of hay had a lower occurance of ulcers (around 25-30% if memory serves me right).

Plus we have to remember that horses are grazing animals, made to be eating large quantities of low protein, high fiber foods. Grain and most horse feeds do NOT fall in to that category... 85-95% of a horse's diet should consist of a more "natural" food source to keep the horse's gut function and mind healthy. It just makes sense.
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Around here, a large bag (not sure of exact poundage, but pretty big) of alfalfa cubes is 4.50 a pop, so not that much of a difference from a bale. We are going to talk to her in person tomorrow morning in any event, so I'll update here when I know what is going to happen. Lilly will not be staying there if the boarder will continue to be foolishly obstinate about this. In fact her vet came out to float a mare's teeth while we were there and basically told her off for not feeding hay...but from what I've witnessed I don't think that's going to change her mind any. I do think her horses eat their own waste as part of boredom, because they have nothing to chew aside from healthy treats between 5:00 am and 6:00 pm.

Lilly is approx. 950 lbs as of her last weigh-in a little less than a week ago (she's 14.3 hh). For the time being I am going to keep her on her previous owner's program of primarily feeding hay along with the cubes, and I will begin to introduce ACV and eventually flax seed to the mix...I hope M doesn't have an issue with this, either. Her modern-day chubbiness is a direct result of too little excersise, and I'll adjust the rations with the vet's advice if she continues to put on weight or starts loosing too much as we begin working out more.

Oh yeah, she'll definitely get her hay...I'm not giving her another feed or grain of any sort. My mind's set on this now. She's my horse, I'm responsible for her, and M can't impose her own ways upon me. Like I said if she refuses we will have to put Lilly through another move.

Ach. So much stress and worrying already and I've been an official horseowner for all of two days.

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