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post #21 of 84 Old 04-12-2013, 06:19 PM Thread Starter
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Is there something other than Amplify I might be able to look into?

I already order Smart Paks Vitamin E and Smart Pack Digest Ultra....

...So if I could find something they carry that would be wonderful.
Then I can look into ordering the already put together packs!

I'm considerably lucky I guess because Otto is a tough keeper, so I don't have to worry about him getting too fat!
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post #22 of 84 Old 04-12-2013, 08:11 PM
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Let me do the math. It'll be later on tonight tho. Might be as easy as adding a high fat " normal " feed like Strategy Healthy Edge...gives him a bit extra for weight gain and has 8% fat/lb
How much Ultium is he getting right now?
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Let me do the math. It'll be later on tonight tho. Might be as easy as adding a high fat " normal " feed like Strategy Healthy Edge...gives him a bit extra for weight gain and has 8% fat/lb
How much Ultium is he getting right now?
Ill let you know tomorrow. Ill be honest I suck at the math... I see all the numbers and % signs and I just bug out! Tanks again for all the help!

I think I read he needs like 4 lbs of Ultium to get what he needs. Ill see what my trainer is giving him. For sure he needs to gain top line and muscle... And I know he can't do that without fat!

If I can do smart packs that seems to be my best bet! So hopefully I can find a fat supplement that works!

Again, cost is not a big deal... I'd much rather keep my horse!
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It's not hard. Just have to think the right way
He has free choice timothy. Try to find out how many flakes she gives him and weight of a flake. Could be 15, or 20 lbs. Or more. Or less. So we need to know. That's lbs of hay x. 2.5% fat, transferred into grams. Plus lbs of Ultium x fat content%, converted into grams. Add all feed/ lbs and fat grams and figure how many % it is. So you know how much additional is needed. Are you lost? Me too lol, I do better in the evening when all is quiet
Try to get as accurate as guess-timates of his ration as possible.
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It's not hard. Just have to think the right way
He has free choice timothy. Try to find out how many flakes she gives him and weight of a flake. Could be 15, or 20 lbs. Or more. Or less. So we need to know. That's lbs of hay x. 2.5% fat, transferred into grams. Plus lbs of Ultium x fat content%, converted into grams. Add all feed/ lbs and fat grams and figure how many % it is. So you know how much additional is needed. Are you lost? Me too lol, I do better in the evening when all is quiet
Try to get as accurate as guess-timates of his ration as possible.
Ill find out! Would it help to have the hay analyzed? All the hay is taken within a few hundred acres from the same area/ same type of land?

I'm very lost!
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Not really necessary. Fat content is pretty uniform. You can, if you're thinking about his overall vit/min intake.
Take your bathroom scale with you( no joke...for the hay), we need as exact measurements as possible.
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Good to see you trying to work things out. It seems overwhelming in the beginning....percentages and numbers were driving me nuts too. But once you get a mixture that he is eating, and it's providing what he needs, it's a relief. Desert will help you along with a few others.
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Interesting that your horse is a paint as well. I've been having issues with my paint mare, but haven't had her tested for PSSM yet.

I've heard that Jet Deck bloodlines are possibly linked to PSSM, but don't have any hard proof on that. My mare has Skips lad in her bloodlines as well as Jet Deck, similar to your horse. Not sure if that is relevant at all.
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Interesting that your horse is a paint as well. I've been having issues with my paint mare, but haven't had her tested for PSSM yet.

I've heard that Jet Deck bloodlines are possibly linked to PSSM, but don't have any hard proof on that. My mare has Skips lad in her bloodlines as well as Jet Deck, similar to your horse. Not sure if that is relevant at all.
No Idea but here's his pedigree
a Gem An a Half Paint

Oh duh I read that wrong.... It's early lol

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post #30 of 84 Old 04-13-2013, 03:54 PM Thread Starter
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I found this article;

How to Prevent Polysaccharide Storage Myopathy (PSSM) in Your Horse | SmartPak Equine Blog

This vet feeds her PSSM horse
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Some experts recommend feeding up to 1 pound of fat a day, but I’ve found a half pound works just fine in my own horse. I feed him four ounces of Cool Calories AM and PM, with SmartE in the morning and MSM in the evening.
Does this sound alright to go off of and try?
If I fed the above it would cost me $106.70 a month to get it in Smart Paks. Not terrible. I just bought the Vit E so I could just get the stuff and make it myself to get him going with it. I know I can trust my trainer to make this stuff correctly every day... But I'm sure she would appreciate not having to do it!

He was on MSM... But we stopped after he got better but I suppose it doesn't hurt?

She is feeding, as stated, a half pound of fat a day, but in addition to this my horse also would get the Ultium and hay. So I would guess he would get a bit more fat?

The trainer says he is doing well, and his only issue she has seem is he is stiff through the back. Added fat should help, but she suggested a chiropractor too... So hopefully with all this he should be on a good path!
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