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    08-03-2011, 09:35 PM
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Foal
Impaction colic-need advice!

Please help! My mustang has impaction colic. I've already had the vet out, but don't have thousands of dollars to treat her. He told me to keep her hydrated & I could try an enema to soften the impaction. I was wondering if I could give her some fruits or mushy beet pulp as well? What about Pedialyte? Safe for horses?

I'm going out to try to give her an enema now.
     
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    08-03-2011, 09:39 PM
  #2
Super Moderator
You've had the vet out, did he treat?
     
    08-03-2011, 09:44 PM
  #3
Showing
The vet was out, diagnosed impaction colic, and DIDN'T intubate your mare with mineral oil and water? Color me skeptical.

IF you actually had the vet out and you know for certain that the mare has impaction colic and not a twisted gut, one of the very first things the vet would have done would have been to intubate her.

Either you're telling a fib about having the vet out, or you have one of the worst, most incompetent, moronically stupid vets on the planet. I know which of those two options I'm leaning toward, and it's not that the vet is an idiot.

It doesn't cost 'thousands' to treat impaction colic. Several hundred yes, but not thousands.
     
    08-03-2011, 10:00 PM
  #4
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
The vet was out, diagnosed impaction colic, and DIDN'T intubate your mare with mineral oil and water? Color me skeptical.

IF you actually had the vet out and you know for certain that the mare has impaction colic and not a twisted gut, one of the very first things the vet would have done would have been to intubate her.

Either you're telling a fib about having the vet out, or you have one of the worst, most incompetent, moronically stupid vets on the planet. I know which of those two options I'm leaning toward, and it's not that the vet is an idiot.

It doesn't cost 'thousands' to treat impaction colic. Several hundred yes, but not thousands.
Normally I would say be nice to this type of response but it's actually what I was thinking. Usually the vet will actually manually pull out as much poop as he can and then he will put several gallons of mineral oil down the horses nose and into his tummy....And of course give some banamine.
     
    08-03-2011, 10:22 PM
  #5
Green Broke
ITA, SR and farmpony -- I have never encountered a vet who would diagnose a situation such as this and just leave the animal to die a horrible, suffering death because someone doesn't have "thousands" (and, as pointed out already, that is horribly inflated - for dramatic effect, OP?) to treat the animal. Most vets I have known would either work out something for payment or offer the alternative of a less expensive and much more humane euthanasia than leave a horse with a diagnosed impaction colic.
     
    08-03-2011, 11:33 PM
  #6
Foal
If this truely is an impaction colic and the vet did not tube with oil and water then the vet is very incompetant. My gelding impacted pretty badly about 4 years ago. He was tubed twice with oil an dthen taken to the clinic and put on IV fluids and a lot of banamine. 40 liters of fluids, $800 dollars and 12 hours later he came home (I got lucky) to only soaked hay for a week and then SLOWLY re-introducing grain (still soaking hay) for another week. Impaction does not always + thousands of $$$. Get the vet back out to start fluids. The most important thing with impaction is re-hydration.
     
    08-04-2011, 12:44 AM
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Usually the vet will actually manually pull out as much poop as he can and then he will put several gallons of mineral oil down the horses nose and into his tummy....And of course give some banamine.
He did stick a tube up her nose & pump about 4 gallons of water into her stomach. He said to take her to the hospital, I was looking at about 5-7 thousand dollars to treat (hence the "thousands" I was talking about). To treat her intravenously would be about 1 to 2 thousand dollars (again, the "thousands" I do not have). He did stick his arm up her rump & said the impaction was like a solid wall of poop in there & offered me a glove to feel for myself (which I declined). I asked about using an enema with mineral oil & he said it was "too late for that". I did it after he left anyway.
Since he left, she has had a few rather large farts (forgive me for being blunt), but no poop yet. She did eat some really sloppy beet pulp & some soaked alfalfa, plus she drank a couple more gallons of water.
He also left me with enough Banamine for about 3 doses.

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The most important thing with impaction is re-hydration
She does seem more hydrated than earlier. When I pinch her skin, it goes back flat very quickly. That was also why I asked about Pedialyte. Not being sure it was safe, I opted for Speedy Beet instead (which she ate).

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Either you're telling a fib about having the vet out, or you have one of the worst, most incompetent, moronically stupid vets on the planet. I know which of those two options I'm leaning toward, and it's not that the vet is an idiot.
I am not a liar (as was implied earlier). I do feel that this particular vet is a bit on the high dollar side & wish there was another vet available to me. There is only one local equine vet. I think there are a few different Dr.s in that office, but it seems like he is the only one available whenever I call. What am I supposed to do? I came here for help, but it is difficult to find with so much hostility. Understandably, there may be those with greater experience and differing opinions, but one would think they could express that in a more constructive manner.

I spent the entire day by my mare's side & I am quite upset. It did not help to come back in to read flaming posts about it.
     
    08-04-2011, 01:05 AM
  #8
Banned
Wow....what a scary time this must be for you!!


Please let us know how she is doing.
     
    08-04-2011, 01:16 AM
  #9
Green Broke
I lost a couple horses this way, and saved one. We do not have the finances for colic surgeries and such either. Our vet did the banamine and water/mineral oil route via stomach tube. One horse recovered great and never had another colic (and he was sick for days, so there's still hope). The two other horses never did recover and we finally had them put down. They were sick for days also.

I think your best bet is to give the banamine (because it helps with the pain and can help the gut relax and start to function again) and if you can, get the vet (or a different vet) to give some more water via stomach tube because I believe the most current thinking is that hydration is the most important thing with impaction colics (my vet always gave mineral oil and water both). Either way, time is of the essence, so I would try to do that tomorrow if you can (if she isn't pooping by then). Because the longer you go, the worse the prognosis. So tomorrow would be the time to make a move.

I have heard that enemas are rarely useful with horses because they have so much intestine that it can rarely reach the problem area. But I know you feel you have to try and I was doing the same thing with the last horse I lost. We tried everything short of surgery.

So good luck with your girl, hope is not all gone. But if she still looks sick tomorrow (and no poop) I would try to get another vet out, for additional water via stomach tube if nothing else. (Again, the longer they go, the worse the prognosis.)

Also, I'm not sure if feeding large quantities of food is good for a horse with an impaction. It may just plug their system even more. But that is something to ask a vet. If I did offer food, it would be something sloppy wet. The last horse I lost was not even able to eat. So it's good that your girl feels like eating, although I'm not sure how much food is good for her right now.
     
    08-04-2011, 01:39 AM
  #10
Super Moderator
Excellent post , Trailhorserider.
I was told to NOT offer food, only water, in this kind of case, but my personal experience with this kind of colic was that the intubation was totally successful. I have been present at three other colics that all resulted in death, due to catching them too late and severe dehydration. Water is key.

Please do let us know what happens. We will be thinking of you and your mare and wishing a successful outcome.
     

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