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    08-31-2009, 08:18 PM
  #21
Yearling
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Originally Posted by xLaurenOscarx    
i did read it!
Now youu go read about 5 links I left earlier.
Show me links to these web sites about all this evil.
I have talked 2 people in the industry. People I trust. And yet there telling me its cruel, unnesecary.
Please tell me this. Y would the governments make it illegal?????
youu have answers 4 everythin else xcept this.
My opinion has been informed.
PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY OF WHAT?! Those people told you someone stuck pins through the horses leg to make the injury worse!!! Wth do they know?!?!!? Obviously nothing!
     
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    08-31-2009, 08:24 PM
  #22
Weanling
Pin firing is just like nerve blocks they put in western pleasure horse's tails...To deaden the nerves.

My opinion on pinfiring is that it is INDEED cruel. 16 years ago we were in the racehorse business. Pinfiring was more popular back then and I have seen it done plently of times. The horse is NOT sedated. I have never seen it, but trainers have told me they even use a pitch fork to pin fire with. I don't see how that is not cruel, being stabbed multiple times with red hot rods. That is just my opinion =]
     
    08-31-2009, 08:24 PM
  #23
Yearling
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
I'm sorry, call me an old fogey.. but I can't understand some of your posts because of the text speak... could you please type your words out? It is appreciated :)

Secondly, I am happy to read the links that you posted, but they are very biased, and don't portray the whole truth. If you want to form your opinion based on half-truths, please be my guest but you will never be 100% correct if you do that.

As for the illegality of it, could you please post an official site stating that it is indeed illegal?
they're the only ones I found.
Find me 1`that says its all good and doesnt hurt the horse and its totally necessary

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    08-31-2009, 08:26 PM
  #24
Weanling
And the way, I am not by any means an animal extrememist =]
     
    08-31-2009, 08:26 PM
  #25
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlmagroN    
PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY OF WHAT?! Those people told you someone stuck pins through the horses leg to make the injury worse!!! Wth do they know?!?!!? Obviously nothing!
is every1 wrong but you?
Even crimson whos worked and saw it 1st hand agrees!
     
    08-31-2009, 08:27 PM
  #26
Yearling
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Originally Posted by crimson88    
Pin firing is just like nerve blocks they put in western pleasure horse's tails...To deaden the nerves.

My opinion on pinfiring is that it is INDEED cruel. 16 years ago we were in the racehorse business. Pinfiring was more popular back then and I have seen it done plently of times. The horse is NOT sedated. I have never seen it, but trainers have told me they even use a pitch fork to pin fire with. I don't see how that is not cruel, being stabbed multiple times with red hot rods. That is just my opinion =]
thank youu crimson!
At least im not the only person here who thinks its cruel!
     
    08-31-2009, 08:27 PM
  #27
Yearling
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Originally Posted by xLaurenOscarx    
And since the horse can't feel any pain decides he's ok and starts galloping around and totaly wrecks his leg
this is untrue. The horse is on stall rest after, until the injury is totally healed. Im sorry did you read ANYTHING?

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Originally Posted by xLaurenOscarx    
my horse is badly fired and I've got him 3 years
what the heck is "badly fired" supposed to mean? You don't know a "good" example of firing from a "bad" one because you don't even know what it is!

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Originally Posted by xLaurenOscarx    
an animal xtremist with DR in front of her name?
I have talked 2 a few ppl in the industry and they're all telling me the same xcept youu
dr? So what... doesnt mean poo to me! Theres lots of "dr's" out there. Especially in groups such as PETA, who are totally extreme and think you shouldnt even have pets.

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Originally Posted by xLaurenOscarx    
Well you've seen the evidence there from vets saying it is cruel and barbaric. If it wasn't why would it be illegal ini USA and Great Britain?

So you would only buy a horse off the tracks if its been 'raced hard enough'? Pure cruelty.

If its not cruel then why is it illegal?? Answer that?

I did look at it.
You mustn't have read the links I left.
ok THIS made me mad. YOU don't read a **** thing anyone says. You have your own opinion and that's that. I don't "buy horses off tracks" IIIIIIII am the one racing them! You want to call it pure cruelty? You obviously don't understand racing either. We don't determine how hard this horse is going to race, it does! So a horse that has cryo marks is a horse who tries and gives it 110% everytime it races and doesnt dogg out. That's what you WANT.

Its not cruel. FREEZE FIRING AND PIN FIRING ARE BASICALLY THE SAME THING! Only one is hot and one is cold. So if its soooooooooooooooooooo cruel why is freeze firing ok? Hmmmmm?????
     
    08-31-2009, 08:30 PM
  #28
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by xLaurenOscarx    
is every1 wrong but you?
Even crimson whos worked and saw it 1st hand agrees!
excuse me? Some joe schmo told you that pinfiring was sticking pins through a horses leg to make the injury worse. Wow, theyre a freaking genius.

I already told you I've done it first hand. And im sorry but first hand isnt having someone telllll you what they did. Stories get twisted. That's how racetracks work. Everyone has a better story. No one is honest.
     
    08-31-2009, 08:31 PM
  #29
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by crimson88    
Pin firing is just like nerve blocks they put in western pleasure horse's tails...To deaden the nerves.

My opinion on pinfiring is that it is INDEED cruel. 16 years ago we were in the racehorse business. Pinfiring was more popular back then and I have seen it done plently of times. The horse is NOT sedated. I have never seen it, but trainers have told me they even use a pitch fork to pin fire with. I don't see how that is not cruel, being stabbed multiple times with red hot rods. That is just my opinion =]
using a pitchfork? That's a load of bologana. Unless someone whos not a vet is trying to do it themselves to save some $$, its a load of poo.

And if the horse is NOT sedated, they do NOT stand still enough to have proper placement of pinfiring done! They can't move or else they have to start over because it HAS TO be held on the same spot for a certain amount of time to work.
     
    08-31-2009, 08:33 PM
  #30
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmagroN    
this is untrue. The horse is on stall rest after, until the injury is totally healed. Im sorry did you read ANYTHING?


What the heck is "badly fired" supposed to mean? You don't know a "good" example of firing from a "bad" one because you don't even know what it is!

bad firing- his WHOLE front leg from knee 2 fetlock is COVERED in scars!

Dr? So what... doesnt mean poo to me! Theres lots of "dr's" out there. Especially in groups such as PETA, who are totally extreme and think you shouldnt even have pets.



Ok THIS made me mad. YOU don't read a **** thing anyone says. You have your own opinion and that's that. I don't "buy horses off tracks" IIIIIIII am the one racing them! You want to call it pure cruelty? You obviously don't understand racing either. We don't determine how hard this horse is going to race, it does! So a horse that has cryo marks is a horse who tries and gives it 110% everytime it races and doesnt dogg out. That's what you WANT.

Its not cruel. FREEZE FIRING AND PIN FIRING ARE BASICALLY THE SAME THING! Only one is hot and one is cold. So if its soooooooooooooooooooo cruel why is freeze firing ok? Hmmmmm?????
i do read!
I think its pure cruel youu judge a horse on how well it races and that there worth nothing if there slow. Fair enogh there not worth anything in the racing but as show jumpers they are.
So youu repay a horse 4 being so good and winning by sticking needles with acid in2 his leg? Lucky horse
     

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