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    03-06-2013, 10:33 AM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by poppy1356    
Well mine was severely anemic. Had a full blood panel run. So there was a purpose for the red cell. I had cut the dose in half and was going to just keep it as a multivitamin type thing until I found out about the link with iron and laminitis and the such.

I am a big fan of good alfalfa and grass hay and some oil. But now I wonder if all that iron was perhaps causing Lizzy to have problems gaining weight?? Since getting her on just the alfalfa and oil with a vit/min supp I have cut my feed bill in half and may perhaps have to start cutting back her feed. I can just barely feel ribs lol.

Something that many people don't understand is that anemia isn't a disease. It's a symptom. If you don't treat the disease you won't fix the symptom (anemia). Red cell only treats iron deficiency anemia or helps horses who are rebounding from severe blood loss.

Anemia falls into three categories: you're losing blood, you're not making new blood, you're destroying your own blood. Each of these has many separate causes which I won't get into, but if your horse is anemic and it isn't one of the extremely rare cases of iron deficiency or it hasn't had a massive blood loss then red cell is completely unnecessary. Back when I was in vet school the professors would have a game called "find the most worthless supplement you can waste money on". There were many contenders and always hard to pick a winner!
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    03-06-2013, 10:39 AM
  #12
Green Broke
Here we go again.

Really didn't see how this info was relavent to this thread but apparently I have to explain everything. Lizzy was a rescue, starved to the brink of death for 18 years. Body score of 1.5/9 full of worms. Now please explain to me how red cell was worthless in building up her blood after we took care of the worms? Since in 2 months she went from severely anemic to in the preferred range?
     
    03-06-2013, 10:51 AM
  #13
Yearling
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Originally Posted by poppy1356    
Here we go again.

Really didn't see how this info was relavent to this thread but apparently I have to explain everything. Lizzy was a rescue, starved to the brink of death for 18 years. Body score of 1.5/9 full of worms. Now please explain to me how red cell was worthless in building up her blood after we took care of the worms? Since in 2 months she went from severely anemic to in the preferred range?
She was getting all the iron she needed from her diet. Anemia would have resolved on it's own once you got rid of the blood suckers. And I was trying to pass on useful information from which others could benefit since many who are interested in/use red cell will read this. If you enjoy throwing money away, please by all means carry on.
     
    03-06-2013, 10:58 AM
  #14
Green Broke
Well the vet had explained all that. And sure I could wait it out and see how many months it would take but at the time she was only on safechoice, nothing else that contained iron. The point was to build the blood up as fast as we could. I don't see a point in doing the waiting game when there are products that can help.
     
    03-06-2013, 11:08 AM
  #15
Yearling
And my point is, it won't speed up her bone marrow, which is where it's being produced. The iron comes from the ground, from her diet, from her salt lick. Iron requirements are very low so once you meet them, they're just pooping out the rest. Look, I'm just trying to help you and others, your tone seems very defensive. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid, just trying to give free veterinary advice. Lots of vets don't even realize how unimportant many supplements are, hence the little game we used to play in school. I'd rather see people save money for things they really need like quality hay, good blankets, good dental and farrier care, etc.
     
    03-06-2013, 11:26 AM
  #16
Weanling
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Originally Posted by tealamutt    
And my point is, it won't speed up her bone marrow, which is where it's being produced. The iron comes from the ground, from her diet, from her salt lick. Iron requirements are very low so once you meet them, they're just pooping out the rest. Look, I'm just trying to help you and others, your tone seems very defensive. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid, just trying to give free veterinary advice. Lots of vets don't even realize how unimportant many supplements are, hence the little game we used to play in school. I'd rather see people save money for things they really need like quality hay, good blankets, good dental and farrier care, etc.
Wait!! Horses poop out excess iron? All this time I had thought they stored it and there was a danger of too much iron being fed.
I searched the "earth" to find a mineral that didn't add iron!!
     
    03-06-2013, 11:37 AM
  #17
Yearling
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Originally Posted by acorn    
I searched the "earth" to find a mineral that didn't add iron!!
haha! Yes, iron can build up in the body, but it's pretty difficult to over supplement. Much of it is passed in the feces. Iron supplements make me vomit, I wonder if they can make horses nauseous too?
     
    03-06-2013, 11:38 AM
  #18
Trained
Smart book says, the body has no way to excrete excess iron, means what's already stored, remains.
It's only means of protection is decreased absorption, which works only with oral supplements, not injectables, so yes, what's not absorbed, is pooped out
     
    03-06-2013, 11:46 AM
  #19
Yearling
Also, you guys can laugh at me or not (my husband will enjoy helping you), but I'm quite a health nut and avoid "man made" chemicals as much as possible. That stuff not only has liver and meat solids in it (WTF is a horse doing eating meat?!), but it also has food dye and irradiated ingredients. In an animal as long lived as a horse, I would be very very careful feeding something with such potential carcinogens in them. Also, meat for a horse is just... GROSS and wrong. Commence laughing now...
     
    03-06-2013, 11:48 AM
  #20
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Interesting thread. Thanks for posting deserthorsewoman
     

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