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        04-27-2013, 05:44 PM
      #531
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    Sometimes you see this in horses that have been fed in a group situation. Since I have to guess, I would say they're used to being chased off their feed. I've got a couple right now that still do it after being here for two and a half years.
         
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        04-27-2013, 06:13 PM
      #532
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by aforred    
    Sometimes you see this in horses that have been fed in a group situation. Since I have to guess, I would say they're used to being chased off their feed. I've got a couple right now that still do it after being here for two and a half years.
    I'd agree with this. It sounds like nerves. I'm guessing she's the weakest link in the herd. She likely knows it and the mares were confirming it for her if she didn't.
    Not sure what your routine is when she is at meal time but you might try standing guard for her when she eats and see if this makes a little difference after awhile. Don't do anything other than guard her and move around protectively, like your watching for any threats against her. You might even try talking to her like your actively protecting her, like you've got her back. That sometimes helps us humans get into the right body posture and energy.
    And keep your back to her for the most part. You should be looking outward and around. Try it a few times and see if she responds at all.
    Otherwise, yeah, get her off the crack pipe. LOL
         
        04-27-2013, 07:34 PM
      #533
    Teen Forum Moderator
    She has always been fed seperately by us, but I'm not sure about when she was with her previous owner for almost a year. When she was found she was the only one on the paddock, but there were other horses on site that she could have been fed with.

    At meal time my usual routine is to soak her feed while I go to feed Sour, catch and tie Kenzie (or put her in the panelled feeding pen if I can't watch her. She takes her sweet time eating and will take nearly 45 minutes to down 2 pounds of feed and 2 pounds of alfalfa pellets) and let her eat, then release her back into her other pen when she's done. I usually muck while she's eating, or do homework. Even when she was with Ginger, her pasture buddy, I fed her seperately though, because Ginger is very food dominant and would definitely take her food too.

    Now that I think of it though, it really does seem like it could be nerves. She is in sight of the other mares (Ginger and Jasmine, the two who were beating up on her and shunning her) when she eats though, so maybe they're giving her the stink eye while she's munching, which causes her to get upset? Poor little gal just doesn't fit in with anyone! I'll try 'protecting' her tomorrow while she's eating and see if it makes a difference. BO might laugh at me, and the guys definitely will, but they can get over themselves xD

    I really wish I could find a horse she got along really well with. I'd put her with Peppin, who she originally came with, but he's 1/2 blind and also tends to play pretty rough (21 month old colt...gotta love him xD) so he's been booted out with the big boys to learn his manners, and we just don't have any other young ones on the property for her. Ginger tolerates her and Kenzie seemed to like her well enough, but Ginger, as I said, is very 'alpha horse' and if its more than the two of them things just don't go well. All of our other mares a big poo heads when it comes to new herd members too :/ maybe if I put her in with our pony? Kenzie doesn't play rough at all and I don't see her do more than a canter lap or two when dinner comes or when she first comes out of her panel pen, but I'd still worry that she'd kick a mini.
         
        04-27-2013, 07:51 PM
      #534
    Green Broke
    Brings about a story from the hubby's youth. Seems that had two dobermans, one like Kenzie and one bully. So my silly husband got on his hands and knees next to the nondominant ones bowl, and when the dominant approaches it seems he crouched over the bowl and growled and said see Atticus, like this..don't let that bully take your food. From that day on Atti ate all of his food with no fight, but growled the other dog off of it.
    Of course my dh also whispered in our breeding males ear about not trying to make out with the females head...and it worked.
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        04-28-2013, 09:57 PM
      #535
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    Well, I attempted to 'guard' her today while she was eating, but she did still continue to pace. Maybe it will take a few times before she gets used to it? I only feed in the evenings too, so in the morning when BO feeds she's on her own xD so I don't know how helpful I'm being. I tried to explain why I was prowling around today, but she and the guys thought I'd gone off my rocker and told me to just tie her.

    That's all well and good...she does stop pacing, but she paws and fidgets if she's tied so I know that doesn't solve anything!
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        04-28-2013, 10:07 PM
      #536
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    So let her paw and fidget and ignore it. Give her her bucket and go do what you want.

    Or correct her when she paws if that is a habit you don't like. Might take a bit for her to actually get it and start eating rather than pawing the first couple of times.

    Plenty of horses do paw for a while when first eating, especially when they're new to the concept. If she ties quietly normally (does she?), then tie her and let her eat (or fidget, or stand bored).

    Really, I'd go with whatever Fayde wants to be sure, but she can learn to stand tied and eat now as good as ever. Or walk in circles and eat. ;)

    None of those things are really a problem in and of themselves- they're not going to hurt the horse. They just irritate humans.
         
        04-28-2013, 11:00 PM
      #537
    Yearling
    I agree with Sharpie. I remember at first on Kenzie's other thread that she wasn't able to walk around without pain. How cool is it that she is just strolling around now, munching on her delicious dinners? I'd let Faydesmom keep an eye on it and deal with it then. Right now, both you and Kenzie have other things to deal with that are more important. This isn't a hill to die on, as I would say, while manners and doctoring are.

    By the way, the pics of her are amazing. She has such a sweet face and her coat is looking promising! Such a difference!
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        04-28-2013, 11:23 PM
      #538
    Green Broke
    I also think it is nervousness about the feed. Some horses are just nervous about it and I think starvation might play a part in it as well, especially at a young age like she has had to deal with. That may subside with more time. As long as she is not doing anything destructive or heading in the direction of, ie, cribbing or OCD type behavior.

    Well too bad the trip was delayed but like everyone said, that gives a chance for the ear to heal for the trip and a chance for a few more bucks thrown in the pot! Looking forward to the thread about about the great adventure to KY :)
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        04-29-2013, 12:23 AM
      #539
    Green Broke
    Ya know, I just needed to post this to say, I was out loving on my horses and was playing with my geldings ears and thought of Kenzie. Their ears are thick! It just made me sad all over again to think of the effort someone went to, to almost detach her ear like that. I just hope the Karma bus runs them over!!!
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        04-29-2013, 05:33 AM
      #540
    Yearling
    Its great to hear she is healing and being more social :)
    About the feeding behaviour, 1) hope she doesn't much of cereal being fed to her? She don't need that...
    2) She shows all signs of being stressed when eating, as others have said that someone might chase her away and stuff.. however I would not be overly stressed about that as long as she doesn't look too bothered - if she is eating slowly she is chewing properly and doesn't just gobble down the food, less risk of choking! She is a smart young gal and your work is priceless Endiku!
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