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        05-12-2013, 12:07 AM
    Originally Posted by Celeste    
    It seems like the donations could go to Endiku to buy Kenzie.
    That is one of the options possibly in the works!
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        05-12-2013, 02:30 AM
    Green Broke
    Sorry Faydesmom just pm'd you
        05-12-2013, 01:10 PM
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    I think I still have that list...let me try to find it :)

    As for asking about buying and rehoming Kenzie, I've sort of poked around at the idea with them but haven't say down and gone 'guys, I have a crazy plan' yet. I'm a little scared, I guess xD I'll do it in the next day or two though. My last final is on Tuesday and then I can start working on this issue more. I'm still not sure that I could pull off boarding her elsewhere though, with my limited income, which is what is keeping me from doing anything just yet. The last thing I want to do it put her in an even worse situation. If I don't buy her though, she'll probably stay at BO's place, eventually end up back on just Safechoice and grass hay, and backtrack. I doubt she'd be messed with until she's old enough to be put into training either.
        05-12-2013, 09:50 PM
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    I just went to TSC and came back with her Mare and Foal feed, a bunch of bags of pure alfalfa pellets (score for Endiku!!!) and a bag each of Beet Pulp pellets and shreds, to see which is more palatable to her...and to me. LOL. I tasted the Beet Pulp and let me assure you guys that it tastes aweful xD the pellets dry are impossible to chew, the shreds are more managable and break down easily. I feel pretty bad for wanting to feed these to her because of the taste, but DuMor tastes pretty good so I'll just mix it in with that.

    Question for you guys, though. Having switched from 60/40 alfalfa timothy pellets to straight alfalfa, do I need to go back to only a handful of the pellets at a time and work my way up again, or is there a small enough difference that I can just decrease it by a little bit and work up to 4-5 lbs again?

    Also, I'm working up to 1 lb of beet pulps daily, right?

    Oh, and I was actually going to buy Kenzie a rope halter today, but they were gigantic and only came in one size O_o so then I was going to get a yearling halter in turquoise for her, but those seemed awefully big too. I think I'm going to do what Fayde said and buy some polycord to make one myself. She's still sort of in between sizes of halter and making things hard xD
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        05-13-2013, 08:24 AM
    Green Broke
    1 lb of beet pulp is not much. Be sure and wet it before you feed it, you don't have to let it soak. I mix my feed (by volume, not wt) !/2 beet pulp, 1/2 feed, in a big bucket, add water till it shows at the top, then portion it out. Not the clenest way to feed, but works for me. Right now, they are getting fat, so I am cutting back the feed, and adding a bit more BP. This really messes up the protien %, but they ALL feel so strong and look so healthy!

    As long as she is getting the RDA of her feed to get the protien and minerals, add away on the BP. She WILL get fat!!

    And, I would just sub the pellets, should be fine.

        05-13-2013, 01:21 PM
    I believe you can feed up to 5lbs beet pulp a day if not more. Always start small like your doing. You won't need to cut the alfalfa pellets down that much maybe half and work back up
        05-13-2013, 03:19 PM
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    Ok, perfect. I wasn't sure about the beet pulp since the bag says 1-2 lbs, but I guess that was just for maitenence, not weight gain. I'm going to start her on the BP today, 1 cup, and increase that until she's eating 2-3 lbs a day along with the 5 lbs or so of alfalfa pellets, 4 lbs Mare and Foal, and 1/2 cup (thinking about upping that to 3/4 cup) DuMor Ultrashine. She'll still have ad lib Jiggs Costal hay as well.

    I think I'm just going to soak the alfalfa pellets and beet pulp together and hope she likes it. Thankfully she's not picky whatsoever, but when I wet the Mare and Foal it literally turns to goop that not even I want to handle, so that's going to be served dry with the alfalfa/beet pulp mush poured over it.
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        05-13-2013, 10:34 PM
    I've had to sort of wean my guy on to the beet pulp. He was NOT having it and normally he eats anything. Mixing it half and half by volume with his strategy got him to start eating it and now I just have to add a little bit (3/4c strategy in 2 quarts of soaked BP) for him to eat it enthusiastically. Don't be shocked if Kenzie needs a little convincing that BP is really food too- seems like a fair few horses need a push in the right direction.
        05-14-2013, 06:59 PM
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    Haha, I think you can tell the future Sharpie! She wrinkled her nose and pushed the beet pulp out of her feed bucket when I tried to give it to her. I finally convinced her to put a few pieces in her mouth, but I don't think she likes how rubbery it is. She chewed twice and pushed it out with her tongue with the most aweful look on her face. Plan B...I think I'll try mixing it in completely with her feed today and hope she doesn't notice. It was just on top with the alfalfa pellets yesterday. I did get her to eat a few very small pieces dry, but I'm still not sure I want to try dry shreds. Some of those pieces are pretty big...

    I'm going to have to soak those separately as well. Alfalfa pellets are goo if you soak them for more than 30 minutes ._.

    Also...I was rationing out the bag of beet pulp shreds last night into baggies, and noticed something pretty gross in the bag. It was a small clump of silky black hair, still attached to what seems like dried skin. GROSS O_o I didn't see any more than that one clump, but is the bag safe to feed if it might have it? I have pictures but they're on my sisters camera at home. I'll have to ask if I can get them off this evening.

    I also noticed what appears to be crushed corn in my mare and foal feed, even though mare and foal isn't supposed to have any corn in it ._. Geeeez. Not sure what else I'd feed her though so I'll just hope its better than the Equine Junior that had whole pieces of corn and tons of molasses in it.

    On a better note though, Kenzie, Sour, Corona (the ranch horse I'm assigned to ride. 8 year old gaited mare), one of my friends, and her ranch gelding JW are about to head out on a dinner trail ride together :) We packed 'dinner' for the horses (their grain rations) that Sour is carrying for us, and a picnic for the two of us. It should be fun. I'm going to pony Sour because Corona doesn't do too well with young horses who are new to being ponied or who are nervous (she's very nervous herself) and my friend and her appy gelding, JW are going to pony Kenzie. I'm pretty excited and it will be a good experience for Kenzie, I think.
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        05-14-2013, 09:18 PM
    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    <snip> I did get her to eat a few very small pieces dry, but I'm still not sure I want to try dry shreds. Some of those pieces are pretty big...
    Personal experience, like I said, I was soaking them 4 times a day for 6 horses. I got tired of messing with all the goop. So then I just started mixing them in dry with their feed and supplements. Once I mixed in the feed, a multivitamin/mineral, a pro-biotic and a good squeeze of oil to stick it all together, I could hardly even tell the difference between the pulp shreds and the "textured" feed.

    I know, I know, I know, as soon as I post this, someone else will post an equally daunting story about how their horse almost died and they'll never feed beet pulp dry ever again.

    Sometimes you just have to give things a try to see what works for you. I started by adding just a handful dry mixed into the ration, and slowly added a bit more each feeding. I never heard a cough, much less anyone choking. I have been feeding it dry now for over 3 months on the 5 fosters I have. The quantities I mix in range from 1/4 pound per feeding, up to a full pound each feeding for a big SSH. I have been exceedingly happy to not have to soak beep pulp any more.

    Also...I was rationing out the bag of beet pulp shreds last night into baggies, and noticed something pretty gross in the bag. It was a small clump of silky black hair, still attached to what seems like dried skin. GROSS O_o I didn't see any more than that one clump, but is the bag safe to feed if it might have it? <snip>
    I have found a couple hairy looking bits in mine too, but when I soaked one of them, it soaked up just like beet pulp and turned out to be a bit of root hairs gummed up with beet skin and molasses. I don't find them often, so I just ignore them now.

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