Jynxy's Mysterious Injury

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    03-14-2011, 10:21 PM
Green Broke
Jynxy's Mysterious Injury

As many of you know, we've spent over a month now puzzling over an apparent injury that Jynx has. I rode her one night (Western), and we were working on her left lead and she was fighting me like crazy. We ended up getting it and she promptly started crow hopping. At this point, began a battle of any time she was asked to trot, she would begin violently kicking out/bucking (she nailed the arena wall). She finally began threatening to rear and I do NOT do rearing. Hoped off and lunged her, zero problems. Got back on, right back to bucking. We got Shay-la to get on (video) and the exact same results, and also noticed she was slightly limping.

Gave her a week, got on and she walked and trotted with zero problems for half an hour. Asked for a canter, and she immediately begins bucking and refuses to go faster then a walk. Any attempt to push her into a trot is met with tail swishing, head flinging and bucking/kicking out. Again, lunging her shows absolutely no lameness or reluctance to move out.

We gave her 3 weeks off, and Shay-la got on her last week. English this time. She walked fine, was reluctant to trot and we immediately noticed she was slightly off. She only did a few rounds before the tail swishing, ear pinning and annoyance surfaced again.

We tried lunging her fine (fine) and lunging with Shay-la bareback (no limp, but acting up, but WOULD trot).

ANYWAY, feel free to filter through the following videos, I was going to wait until first week of April to have a vet out but now I'm freaking out because it's been so long and all of HF thinks I should, so the vet is coming on Monday and HOPEFULLY we can get to the bottom of this!

Shay-la riding the first time (5 weeks ago):

Shay-la riding a week ago at the walk:

Shay-la riding a week ago at the trot (visible lameness):

Jynx lunging left a week ago (immediately after ride):

Jynx lunging right a week ago (immediately after ride):

Jynx lunging to the left with Shay-la riding bareback (1 week ago) - this video shows her VERY strong objection to being touched with Shay-las right leg:

Jynx lunging to the right with Shay-la riding bareback (1 week ago):

Jynx trotting to the right on lunge with Shay-la riding bareback (1 week ago) - she trots nice with no apparent lameness:

Attempting the same thing in the left direction, and no dice, she refuses:

Finally get her to trot but it's not pretty - and Shay-la almost gets tossed when she's unprepared for my reprimand:

And finally, the video IMMEDIATELY after we stopped all of this, showing her bucking and farting and running around with zero problems:

I know, it's a LOT right? We were trying everything to figure out of this was pain or attitude. I'm crossing my fingers the vet can help!

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    03-15-2011, 12:49 AM
#1 Saddle fit issue (the western saddle seemed a bit big but then again I don't ride western) caused an issue or just ticked her off. #2 Teeth or ear bugs #3 She just has a lot of P & V from being cooped up.. I would lunge her until she just starts to sweat a bit and then hop on and see what she does then. #4 a combo of those things.

A back or shoulder irritation can cause an intermittent lameness too..
    03-15-2011, 01:23 AM
My suggestion would be to have a massage therapist/chiro out before the vet. Not that I am discounting vets or the medical field, I strongly believe in good medicine. The trouble is, to me anyways, she is in back pain. A pinched nerve in her back, an out of place bone, a nasty muscle spasm, could all look very much like leg/foot lameness.

I think a good evaluation by a professional would,for me, come first.

Does she seem coldbacked to you? Does she react while being tacked up?

Being a mare, does she have especially nasty heats? Do you think there could be a reproductive problem causing this trouble?

I do massage and so my first instinct is massage/chiro. I do think that it is time to act if you can though...before she gets sour on the idea of riding.
    03-15-2011, 01:59 AM
I agree with Cori. Abby did the buck/crowhop thing at a lope, but would trot foreverrr. She would lope with her buddies in the pasture, but it would be stiff and awkward. My vet does chiro too so I called her. Abby's hip was out. Quick adjustment and she lopes like a champ now.
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    03-15-2011, 02:51 AM
Do you really want my honest opinion?

Yes, get her vetted, and get a chiro or a massage therapist to look at her as well.

However what I see is a young horse who is learning that when she resists, she gets rewarded; especially in the first bareback vid with Shay on her, what happened when she hopped up and kicked out and stopped? Shay patted her, and stopped cueing her to go foward=reward for acting like an idiot.

Now in the first vids yes, there is some lameness there, which is why you need to get her checked out, but once she is cleared, you need to decide to commit to getting her to move, and move NOW when you cue. Every time she reacts the way she does, she gets stopped, and patted (atleast what I saw)...this is exactly opposite of what should be happening with a horse with sticky feet; and she is sticky way before she is asked to trot/canter...that is apparent by her lack of gumption to move foward on the lunge (just wandering about doing her own thing with no regard for her handler), and being resistent, and halty at the walk undersaddle.

Again, DO get her checked out, to make sure she is okay, but get on her tail about moving foward when she is given the clear bill of health.
    03-15-2011, 09:23 AM
Point definitely taken, but I gaurantee if there were no limp I would NOT have stopped pushing for the forward movement. Once she's cleared with a clean bill of health, will be easier to push knowing it's not pain related but the limp and the fact that this behavior is so sudden and out of character for this mare, makes us believe it's not just "sticky feet".

I'm very curious to hear on Monday the vet's thoughts on it.
    03-15-2011, 10:26 AM
Will definitely be keeping you guys in my thoughts...regardless of where this is coming from, something like that would be frustrating!!!
    03-15-2011, 10:33 AM
This has been going in long and consistently enough to warrant intervention by health professionals. Curious to see what they have to say.
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    03-15-2011, 10:41 AM
Green Broke
Her movement suggests a shoulder injury to me, could also be why she is better without a saddle. Whether the saddle fits or not, a sore shoulder is more apparent under saddle compared to bareback.

A vet could do a heat scan to confirm? Heat scans come with their own limitations of course and the accuracy is often questioned but it was just a thought. Chiro work will also help, as long as the underlying issue can be pinpointed first.

Good luck with the vet though, hope this is sorted out soon!
    03-16-2011, 01:19 AM
Green Broke
Thanks guys!

Mom2pride, thanks for the advice! I know what was happening in the videos wasn't correct, we shouldn't have been patting her. However, I wish we'd taped when this first happened. I got into her, HARD. She was getting my heels as hard as I could, along with my crop across her butt. It escalated to the point of kicking the wall violently, and when her kicks/bucks were getting big enough, I did a few one rein stops on her, she began trying to rear.

I was REALLY skeptical about in injury at first, it seems a little to convenient she only seems to object at the canter and then is suddenly hurt.

On the lunge, I know she was just goofing around, but we've had problems with the lunge and most of the time it's just a walk, bolt, walk bolt sequence of working on calming her down. I was NOT happy with that lunging, but if it meant she was going to stay calm, I was willing to compromise.

In response to other people, no, she has zero issue being saddle. No tension, no worry, absolutely no concern for mounting (stands totally still) and perfectly content to walk around. It's only at faster gaits that the problem emerges. Hence why I was leaning towards an attitude problem so much.

The first time she pulled this, before I had an inkling it was an injury, and she tried to rear, I got off and lunged the snot out of her. She showed no signs of lameness or even stiffness, and she was hot and blowing when I finished. I got back on, exact same reaction.

I am not opposed to a chiro/massage therapist however we need the vet out anyway for Justus' teeth, as well as Zierra has a funky rash under her tail and Jynxy also has an unusual wart like growth on her face. So really, it's just time to get him out and kill ALL the birds with one stone!

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