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post #1 of 37 Old 11-01-2012, 09:38 PM Thread Starter
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Lameness in this gelding, your thoughts?

This is an Appaloosa gelding I picked up two weeks ago. He had been standing knee deep in mud in a very small paddock in the woods for the past year or more. His thread can be seen here.

What are your thoughts, what would you try to do for him? Since we've gotten him he has just been palling around one of my spare pastures munching on a round bale while I recover from surgery. He has some days that he doesn't appear very so and others, like today, he looks like this:

I know that he had lamanitis about a year ago. My farrier is impressed with the looks of his hooves/white line etc considering.
He has a mystery hole in one front hoof that we are treating.
And I know that his front feet and hind legs clearly cause him some discomfort, although he is very happy despite.

That said I have a gnawing feeling in my gut that his story doesn't come with a happy ending
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First of all, bless you for taking him. He looks incredible compared to the original pics.

Now, regarding the lameness, it may just be my tablet that is not playing the videos in the most consistent manner, but I see more front end tenderness, in the first video obviously. My suspicion would be the laminitis history. Have you had his feet xrayed to see if/how bad rotations might be of the coffin bones? The most recent stat I read said that horses with more than 12 degree rotations had a poor prognosis for being sound again.

Regardless, he is looking in fine flesh and fine spirits. Thank goodness he found you!
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Chronic laminitis. Fall pasture can be as dangerous as spring pasture.
Can you post pics of his feet? From the side, underneath and front?
His knees don't look too thrilling either, but that could be from ne watching it in the phone.
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Yeah, he looks like a hrose who has generally sore feet, especially the front.

He is cute as they come!
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You said you were treating a hole. Is this from an abcess, he may have another. Are you soaking in warm water and epsom salts? I wouldn't be shoving anything in the hole. Keep it clean. Where is this hole? on the sole or the outer hoof wall ? I see that he mostly favores the left front. Does he have flat soles or are they concave?
Im wondering if his hooves are going through some major changes considering he come from a muddy situation.
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He does favor the left front the most. The right front is the hoof with a hole in it. Both front feet have an old abscess track on the hoof wall.

We aren't sure if the hole is from an abscess or what it is from. I am leaning towards NO. Its about the size of a nickel, very squishy and he doesn't appreciate you hoof picking around it. I do soak his feet.

I have only dealt with two very mild cases of lamanitis, shockingly enough. I have no personal experience with it and admittedly very limited knowledge other than things I've read and picked up. What is the difference between acute and chronic lamanitis?

My biggest question, and what I have been watching him for, is if I am dealing with an older case and this is just him now or am I watching for/should be treating a new/current case of lamanitis? He is on a first cutting hay and very limited pasture. He is turned out but its a picked over, dryed up, weedy pasture. And like I said, a handful of low starch/low sugar feed to get him to take some supplements.

He was very similar to this when I got him. Two days after his first trim he became much more comfortable, until yesterday when he started to be this sore again. (Keep in mind he has been here for two weeks).

Left front:

Right front:

Right hoof before:

Best picture to see the hole:

Same hoof freshly trimmed:
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Also, and you can see it from the video, his back ankles are very swollen.

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Ok, thanks for the pics. I hope one if our barefoot trimmers reads this and jumps in.
I can only more or less guess what is happening here. The swelling if the hind might be from taking most of the weight due to the painful fronts.
The angle of the feet seems okay, maybe a slightly high heel which, if there is laminitis and coffin bone rotation, makes the tip of the bone come even closer to the ground and hurt more.
What I do see is that all hooves have flares which should be taken care of, I.e. removed, so the 'pull" on the wall goes away. The sole is hard to see but seems in need in a careful cleaning out....with a hoofknife that is. The hole I've seen at the same spot on my laminitic mare. And yes, it was sensitive too.
The wall, like I said, needs rasped and nicely rounded.
Do you have x-rays of the front feet, by any chance? To see, as mentioned, if there is any rotation. Is there any heat or pulse?

To make clearer what I am talking about regarding trimming you can go to Bare Foot Horse and click on "founder" . It explains everything a lot better than I do right now
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He's going to be sore on is feet for a little while. He was pretty flared (not horrible but not great), and his legs arent used to being in that new (even though correct) positions. It's going to take time for his body to adjust back to normal. He can STILL have abscesses inside, and the hole sounds like an abscess that busted. I'd try to keep it dry if u can. Also his frogs look very small to me, which has nothing to do with how he was trimmed, and I dont know if that would effect him or not.

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Sorry, but I would call a good equine vet with an xray machine NOW and find a GOOD farrier experienced in *successfully* rehabbing founder. I would be feeding the horse only on soaked hay(to leach out sugars), keeping him on soft, clean footing, probably bandaging & booting that left one for now, at least until otherwise advised by a vet.

It seems pretty obvious to me your horse has NOT recovered from founder/laminitis & likely has some pretty major 'rotation', especially the left fore. The hole looks like it may be solar penetration of P3, but it is hard to tell anything from grotty feet - you need to post pics without them being mud-filled. Some different angles of the sole would be good too, to get an idea of heel height, depth, etc.

I'm generally loath to judge from just a few av pics, but if your farrier's impressed by the state of them, either it's in comparison to how terrible they were before or the farrier doesn't know much about feet. Especially given the likely possibility that the sole is not just thin but actually penetrated on that foot, I consider it a VERY wrong trim that the farrier has pared/rasped sole material. He also hasn't done anything about the excessive toe length/flare. Can't tell whether he's made any start on improving angles by lowering heels.

The horizontal rings/ridges on his feet show that he's been suffering regular bouts of laminitis for at least the last year, at least until recently - looks like the 'attack' of about a month ago may have caused a couple of abscesses at the toes? Look up Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Information to learn more about why this may be happening & what to do about it.

Equine Lameness Prevention Organization is one good source of info regarding understanding hoof balance. Pete Ramey hoof care laminitis founder horse navicular disease thrush equine foot development farrier is one great site on hoof care generally & for learning what's involved in rehabbing horses with these type problems. Not every horse is able to be rehabbed, but there is a good chance that if there's not too much bone loss, that with careful care & management, he can get better. Lots of learning to do if you want to give him the best go.

Drawn on some of your pics help you see. Red lines indicate approximate location/angle of P3. Green lines show approx where the walls *should* be growing & blue lines show approx how I'd trim to facilitate this.
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