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post #1 of 18 Old 02-09-2011, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
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Lameness issue

Hi all, I'm new to the board and I'm just looking for opinions on what to do and where to go on one of my horses.

I am really quite frustrated at the moment so this is also a bit of a vent with a lot of information to absorb.

I have had a farrier for this past year who went to school at a very well known school.
Back in June/July of 2010 he started trimming my horses. My Paint (19 y/o) came up very lame. I took my horse to my regular vet (another long story) and he thought he pulled a muscle.
He stayed confined for 8 weeks in a 40x40 turnout. He got better, but he has not been 100% and he keeps weight off that one right hind.

After digging and digging on the internet about why my horses foot looked so funky- I thought I saw what was a sheared heel. Upon speaking with several farriers/trimmers through pictures - its much worse than that.
My horses hoof wall is torqued to the right and is taking his bar and heel bulb with it.
I have taken him to the vets and had a complete lameness exam done on him with xrays and this is all due to to his lateral wall being to high.....Hence his loading is all going onto the medial of his foot and torquing it.
The origional vet lied to me (claimed my horse has bersitis) and the new vets have no idea on how to correct this problem. His hock is swollen and sore. I did xrays on both his foot and hock. As of right now his hock looks ok.

I have tried to contact this farrier, but he is gone until Friday. I am so upset about this and I had asked this farrier over and over again why it looked like that, and he would never answer me.

Would it be wrong to ask for compensation for both the vet charges and the amount I have paid this farrier over the past year or so?

All my information has been sent to Michigan State to have it all re-evaluated by several vets, so I know that my information is 100% accurate before I embark on trying to get compensated
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I have had a farrier for this past year who went to school at a very well known school.
What school and @ how long since graduation?


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I had asked this farrier over and over again why it looked like that, and he would never answer me.
He didn't know why.

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Would it be wrong to ask for compensation for both the vet charges and the amount I have paid this farrier over the past year or so?
Not wrong to ask, but not likely to happen w/o going to court.

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All my information has been sent to Michigan State to have it all re-evaluated by several vets, so I know that my information is 100% accurate before I embark on trying to get compensated
Talk to the farrier and see if there is a way for him to work w/ you, your vet, and a more experienced farrier in order to remedy the situation. This would allow him to save face and be a learning opportunity as well.

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Farriers and vets don't like to be questioned, and dislike being told how to do their jobs even more. Your original vet can't really be blamed, he saw what he thought was bersitis. He might have never seen a hoof like your horses' before, after all all they really do is guess whats wrong. But they're not entirely sure, it's a guessing game most of the time. I would be royally pissed for them not doing their job correctly. But I don't believe you can ask for compensation....):
A good phone call about how their "services" of keeping your horse lame just to fill their pocket would be good. And basically the only thing you can really do at this point is spread the word about them. Don't use farrier or vet so and so. That's the only way to really hit them where it hurts. But you want to keep it slightly professional basis otherwise you might not get anyone else to come work on your horse either :/
Sorry about your horsey ):
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Thanks for the reply. He went to Cornell in NY. He has been in practice for 5 years. And had apprenticed for 1 year before going out on his own.

I'm sure he didn't know why my horses foot looks like it does. However, its not up to me to keep digging on the internet to figure it out either....Ha- that's what he gets paid good money for ;)

I'm at a loss as there aren't many good farriers/trimmers around me and I'm quite leary of what the vets have said in regards to the latest xrays. The vets have no idea on how to fix it. They never even made a suggestion other than find another farrier

I think I will persue this in court if I have to. I'm not willing to have this guy out again to do my horses. He also left one of my horses so high in the heels that she looked like a donkey.
I ran into the farrier who recommended this farrier and he explained the whole reason why my horses foot is torqued in great length, but he isn't taking on any new clients.
Its more about the morals of this. This past time he came to trim- he acted as though he never knew that foot was messed up. Then he made a comment about it and again never elaborated on what or why. To walk off and not try to do anything or find out the "why" is what has got me quite peeved.
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Drizzy, My origional vet of 20+ years took xrays on this horse and at that time claimed he had a chip in his hock. I took this horse to him in Sept 2010 for a lameness eval. He had me trot my horse up and down the drive and "assumed" it was a muscle. I asked him if it was that chip in his hock. He went and reviewed the xray and claimed it is bersitis. I asked about his foot and his reply was "when they get old, you put a gun to them" needless to say I was quite shocked.
I brought the new set of xrays into this other vets office. They see no chip in the old xrays nor the new set they took the other day. And there is no sign of bersitis either, which can't be detected through an xray anyhow.
Both sets of xrays *from 2006 and 2011* are being fully reviewed at Michigan State. I'm just waiting for a responce.
And yes, when I see my vet, I will have a few words to say. Charged me good money on top of it and never even touched my horse.
Sorry- just venting due to pure frustration over my poor horse being very uncomfortable for all this time.
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Its okay!
Have you ever posted on
Your One-Stop Farrier and Hoofcare Portal
?
This site is EXCELLENT for finding vets/farriers. You can also post your horses x-rays on there, and different farriers/vets will give you their opinions/suggestions/advice. This site helped out alot in a lamness case with a horse I ride who popped a shin splint, had a month off, still lame and winging out. Vet came out checked him out, but this vet also does farrier work. Perfect match, he trimmed his feet correctly and fixed his feet all up. The same vet also helped out with a extremely severe case of laminitis at the barn, where the orginal vet had barley came out to see the horse, had countless different farriers shoe him and 43095834895 specialist. Most of the posters are farriers or vets them self so you get much more accurate information.

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Farriers and vets don't like to be questioned, and dislike being told how to do their jobs even more.
Professional ones aren't bothered by questions, that said, they **** sure aren't going to be "told" how to do their jobs. Especially by lay people.

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Your original vet can't really be blamed, he saw what he thought was bersitis. He might have never seen a hoof like your horses' before,
He had a DVM,better darn well not be guessing. Of course the farrier may not have seen a foot like that one either.

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after all all they really do is guess whats wrong. But they're not entirely sure, it's a guessing game most of the time.
Is that what you really think? OMG

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A good phone call about how their "services" of keeping your horse lame just to fill their pocket would be good.
Can we say "dis-gruntled"?

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And basically the only thing you can really do at this point is spread the word about them. Don't use farrier or vet so and so. That's the only way to really hit them where it hurts. But you want to keep it slightly professional basis otherwise you might not get anyone else to come work on your horse either :/
Sorry about your horsey ):
So you've been there, done that.

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Thanks for the reply. He went to Cornell in NY. He has been in practice for 5 years. And had apprenticed for 1 year before going out on his own.

I'm sure he didn't know why my horses foot looks like it does. However, its not up to me to keep digging on the internet to figure it out either....Ha- that's what he gets paid good money for ;)

I'm at a loss as there aren't many good farriers/trimmers around me and I'm quite leary of what the vets have said in regards to the latest xrays. The vets have no idea on how to fix it. They never even made a suggestion other than find another farrier

I think I will persue this in court if I have to. I'm not willing to have this guy out again to do my horses. He also left one of my horses so high in the heels that she looked like a donkey.
I ran into the farrier who recommended this farrier and he explained the whole reason why my horses foot is torqued in great length, but he isn't taking on any new clients.
Its more about the morals of this. This past time he came to trim- he acted as though he never knew that foot was messed up. Then he made a comment about it and again never elaborated on what or why. To walk off and not try to do anything or find out the "why" is what has got me quite peeved.
Sorry for your situation. Sounds as if you've your "ducks in a row" Some pic's would be interesting,if you've the time.

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I'm more than happy to post the xrays and pictures. But should I post them on this thread or should I post them in another section?

I'd love to get more opinions. My horse is cow hocked and that is where this farrier has gone wrong. He hasn't taken my horses conformation into consideration.

Thanks Drizzy- I didn't see the link you posted until now. I will definitely try them. The more eyes on the xrays and hoof pic's the better.

I've got another farrier coming Tuesday so I want to make sure all my information is 100% before we meet.
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Sorry for your situation. Sounds as if you've your "ducks in a row" Some pic's would be interesting,if you've the time.


This horses foot was not like this until this new guy started trimming him. I do keep a photo journal on my horses, and I keep all my vet/trimming/etc on file.
It is clearly due to a high lateral.

Boy what this horse has taught me in regards to feet
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