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post #1 of 15 Old 10-18-2012, 09:14 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Lazy Horse....

Hey guys, So my horse has been super lazy for the past 3 weeks or so. When I ride him i use small spurs and a whip, but it doesnt work to get him moving unless I smack him really hard. He actaully has welts after i ride him many times.
I uped it grain to a scoop in the morning and a scoop at night it did help but he is still pretty lazy. He gets 4 flakes a day also.
i assumed maybe he was getting bored of arena work so i have been riding him around my house and trail riding and things. The first couple days he was doing great but now he's starting to get lazy and slow again.
I just don't know what to do Any ideas?
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post #2 of 15 Old 10-19-2012, 03:05 AM
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You shouldn't be leaving welts on him. I'd get a vet out to check him out if I were you, it sounds as if he is in pain if he is not moving forward after whipped so hard.
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post #3 of 15 Old 10-19-2012, 07:59 AM
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a little on the lazy side is ok. I repeat a little, but if a crop dont get him going, I agree that something else must be going on. I would have him checked out.
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Yeah I agree i should do that, but what could be wrong? He eats all his food every day and really his only problem is being lazy i dont know.

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He only gets 4 flakes of hay a day?! I hope those are huge flakes, I feed 4 flakes per feeding.

I'm guessing there's some deficiency or pain somewhere. And you left welts? I can't imagine doing that to a horse that isn't trying to kill me.
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Yep, definitely sounds like a vet visit is in order.

Poppy- you must have tiny flakes Four flakes from the two-strand bales my barn uses is supposed to be 20 lbs on average according to my BO (though I'm not entirely convinced that's true... I think they're more like 4 lbs each on average... but that's neither here nor there)

ETA - my horse never seems very motivated at the beginning of a ride and I always ride with a dressage whip, but once he gets warmed up he's quite easy to keep going.
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post #7 of 15 Old 10-19-2012, 03:58 PM
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One 70lb bale holds about 20 flakes. So 3-4 flakes per horse per feeding (2 per day).

My horse is the most motivated at the beginning....
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Yes they are very big flakes. I know its not good that i left welts D: But there really was no other way to get him to move :/

He always gets better near the end of me riding and starts moving faster and more but still not as much as i think he should.

So tonight when i fed him his grain he just stopped eating it for about 10 minutes. He started to chew very slow and lowered his head very low and kinda just sat there :O ... then started eating it again normally. It was very strange. I am going to try and have the vet come very soon. Does any one have any idea what he could have?

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Hi, as you posted the 4 days ago, have you had a vet &/or found out what's wrong yet?

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Hey guys, So my horse has been super lazy for the past 3 weeks or so. When I ride him i use small spurs and a whip, but it doesnt work to get him moving unless I smack him really hard. He actaully has welts after i ride him many times.
This makes me sad for your horse actually. You posted this in the health section, so you obviously realise something's not right & it's not just behavioural, and yet you attempt to force the horse with severe punishment?? I don't get that attitude at all.

I'd at least want to rule out pain before treating it as behavioural & trying to work through it, but if you 'need' spurs & a whip just to get the horse going, it sounds like some lessons wouldn't go astray, to learn how to train & ride him better without having to bully.

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I uped it grain to a scoop in the morning and a scoop at night it did help but he is still pretty lazy. He gets 4 flakes a day also.
You don't tell anything about him, details lifestyle, etc, and details about his diet could be important - eg. how much does one scoop weight & what is the 'grain'? How much does 4 flakes weight & what sort of hay? Grain can be a common reason for horses to become laminitic, especially if they're overweight, especially if it's only over a couple of larger meals daily, which could be one reason he's sore & therefore 'lazy'.

Of course there are numerous other physical reasons aside from systemic &/or hoof problems that could cause a horse to be in pain or otherwise not want to work. Saddlefit/back pain, for eg.

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So tonight when i fed him his grain he just stopped eating it for about 10 minutes. He started to chew very slow and lowered his head very low and kinda just sat there :O ... then started eating it again normally.
Perhaps he had a touch of colic, stomach aches from ulcers, gut pain from hind gut acidosis, perhaps he has bad teeth, perhaps he was just fed too much & was just full.... sorry, can't do more than guess without more info.
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Hi, as you posted the 4 days ago, have you had a vet &/or found out what's wrong yet?
No the vet is coming out tomorrow though.

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This makes me sad for your horse actually. You posted this in the health section, so you obviously realise something's not right & it's not just behavioural, and yet you attempt to force the horse with severe punishment?? I don't get that attitude at all.
That's only happened a couple times, i stopped once i realized it really was'nt helping. He is actually alot better now. On Sunday when i rode him he was going along great and i did not have to use my crop. I gave him alfalfa pellets which i am pretty sure helped.

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I'd at least want to rule out pain before treating it as behavioural & trying to work through it, but if you 'need' spurs & a whip just to get the horse going, it sounds like some lessons wouldn't go astray, to learn how to train & ride him better without having to bully.
Yes i agree with you and i have been working on getting my legs stronger and now that i am squeezing him harder its helping. And the spurs are super small..the smallest you can get.

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You don't tell anything about him, details lifestyle, etc, and details about his diet could be important - eg. how much does one scoop weight & what is the 'grain'? How much does 4 flakes weight & what sort of hay? Grain can be a common reason for horses to become laminitic, especially if they're overweight, especially if it's only over a couple of larger meals daily, which could be one reason he's sore & therefore 'lazy'.
Well i ride him 6 days a week for about 60 minutes. He is a 15'2 5 year old Quarter Horse. He actually has the perfect weight. I'll post some pictures of him standing, trotting, and cantering. One scoop of grain is probably 1-2 lbs? not totally sure and the whole hay bail is 50 lbs and the are very large flakes. I give him two flakes in the morning and 2 at night. It's just normal timothy hay.

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Of course there are numerous other physical reasons aside from systemic &/or hoof problems that could cause a horse to be in pain or otherwise not want to work. Saddlefit/back pain, for eg.
He actually has really nice hooves. Before i had a farrier who was doing his feet terribly but i now have a new farrier and they look so much better.


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Perhaps he had a touch of colic, stomach aches from ulcers, gut pain from hind gut acidosis, perhaps he has bad teeth, perhaps he was just fed too much & was just full.... sorry, can't do more than guess without more info.
He hasn't done it again since and is now eating perfectly fine.

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