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    06-09-2013, 04:01 PM
  #1
Weanling
Let's talk ulcer treatment

My OTTB has ulcers (big surprise, I know) and the trainer says I need to use Gastroguard for 28 days for treatment and then probably 1/4 tube daily for maintenance. The trainer has gobs of money and I don't, so let's talk reality.

I've researched a little but I'd like to know from real people what length of Gastroguard treatment people have used and had good luck with. In product reviews I've read some people doing 2 weeks and it working just fine. I'm sure the company that makes it would prefer I use the full course (for around a grand) but that doesn't mean that it's necessary.

Also, what did you do after treatment to prevent them from coming back? I've heard sucralfate and ranitidine as well as supplements.

We have moved him to outdoor board, where he is much happier and can eat more evenly through the day. I'm just afraid I'm going to spend $1000 on treatment and then the ulcers will just come back and it will be a waste. He's going to be so much happier and comfortable if we get rid of them.

Thanks in advance
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    06-09-2013, 08:14 PM
  #2
Started
What is his current diet?
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    06-09-2013, 09:04 PM
  #3
Green Broke
Did your vet make the ulcer assessment or the trainer?

If the vet made the assessment, what did he/she suggest for treatment?

My 27 yr old Arab has flare-ups of gastric stomach ulcers every winter. He is the one of my four horses that needs all that lush green grass to keep his tummy quiet. By the end of winter, even feeding him bagged forage that I soak, his ulcers flare up. They have been since 2004.

I buy 30 days of Omeprazole from the vet for a little over $100 (can't remember exactly).

He's always better in a few weeks but I use the 30 days up anyway and he's good for another 9 - 10 months BUT he doesn't get worked either. He is fully retired unless somebody's toddler wants a happy horse memory

He also does not eat any grain. I feed him Triple Crown Senior, rice bran, soaked alfalfa pellets, Omega-3 Horseshine and a pre/probiotic.

That all being said, if your horse has hind gut ulcers, I have one of those too He is on Succeed, a Prebiotic that costs $90/month. He hasn't had an ulcer flareup or colicked since last October. He is 25+ years.

Feeding these types of horses 3 - 4 small meals (their feed pan stuff) with free choice hay and/or pasture also helps a lot

Hope this is some help to you
     
    06-09-2013, 09:37 PM
  #4
Weanling
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What is his current diet
He gets a senior feed (sorry, don't know what brand), beet pulp and hay

My trainer made the assessment using a trick the vet told him about with maalox. I'm not going to have him scoped because of the constellation of symptoms and his history as an off track horse. I called the vet on Friday but they didn't call me back. I was just hoping to get some ideas from people as to what has worked before I talk to the vet. I'm assuming that she will recommend the course that the manufacturer recommends.

I'm assuming that your vet ordered or compounded the generic omeprazole for you? My trainer insists that the generic doesn't work but I'm in the medical field and so I tend to disagree with him. I can't believe one month was only $100! That's amazing.

Did you treat the horse with hind gut ulcers before you started the succeed or just started on it?
     
    06-09-2013, 09:58 PM
  #5
Trained
I can't comment on the meds, my only ulcer horse cured himself just by eating right.
First and foremost, hay 24/7 best in a slowfeeder Slow Feeding Horses on Paddock Paradise Tracks - Paddock Paradise Wiki
If possible, no grain at all, if grain is a necessity or is given in a boarding situation, give some alfalfa about 20 minutes before the grain meal. Alfalfa buffers the stomach acids.
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    06-09-2013, 10:34 PM
  #6
Weanling
That's the crappy part about boarding. I have practically no control over the feeding situation. I've thought about bringing him home and gradually putting him on the 2 acres of beautiful pasture that (as you know) my mare is not currently using. But, I decided against it since the price of gas to transport him back and forth for lessons would actually make it more expensive than keeping him there. Although it might still be cheaper than treating the ulcers with meds.
     
    06-10-2013, 02:42 AM
  #7
Trained
Definitely. And you'll have a happier horse.
     
    06-10-2013, 04:58 AM
  #8
Foal
Hi;

My mare was diagnosed with upper gut ulcers through the "succeed fecal test" for ulcers. My one vet said the only way to check is to do a scope. I tend to believe that.

I did two months of Omeprazole. She then got impaction colic. A horse produces something like a quart of hydrochloric acid a day in order to break down the food they eat. If you neutralize that acid they have trouble breaking down the food and if eating Bermuda grass run the risk of having impaction colic.

At least that is what I have learned with my mare.

Right now I give her Bermuda pellets soaked with water and Aloe Vera Juice in it morning and night. Just the plain aloe vera, nothing added to it. She eats Bermuda out of a freedom feeder that I fill myself every day. I also board. It allows her to eat constantly the way horses should. But it also limits how fast she can eat the food due to the small holes in the netting.

The best case scenario for your horse would be to remove all stress and let the horse have a much larger area to roam about and be a horse in.

The alfalfa has higher calcium content and it can help for ulcers. You don't have to feed much of it. I give my mare 3 lbs a day as well as her Bermuda grass and her grass pellets.

The beet pulp is good too as long as you soak it very well, until soft, I used to soak it for 10 to 12 hours, and then rinse all the excess starch off of it.

Good luck with your horse.

Go online and read all the studies done on omeprazole and horses with ulcers before you use it. There is a bit of controversy over if it is the right choice for horses with ulcers. Also some of the compounded products are very unstable and don't work with horses.

Keep informed and educate yourself before spending a bunch of money like I did.
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    06-10-2013, 08:09 AM
  #9
Green Broke
Wow Lightening, what story

My Arab with gastric stomach ulcers has been on Omeprazole periodically since 2004, without issue.

However, the vet never mentioned Omeprazole as treatment for the horse with hind gut ulcers. The started him on Succeed when, after the second big colic, he did that Succeed fecal test and it showed him positive for them. We had to go with that as the nearest Equine Hospital is 4 hours in a car.

The vet did not want this horse trailered that far, given his metabolic issues, arthritis and the weakened condition he was in from two big colics only two weeks apart

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He gets a senior feed (sorry, don't know what brand), beet pulp and hay

My trainer made the assessment using a trick the vet told him about with maalox. I'm not going to have him scoped because of the constellation of symptoms and his history as an off track horse. I never had my Arab scoped either. My vet essentially used the same trick but with Omeprazole when Streeter was first diagnosed. He left me with a few days of liquid Omeprazole and said, if the horse has ulcers this will help within a few hours. Sure enough, it wasn't even two hours and Streeter had his head down eating grass.

I called the vet on Friday but they didn't call me back. I was just hoping to get some ideas from people as to what has worked before I talk to the vet. I'm assuming that she will recommend the course that the manufacturer recommends.

I'm assuming that your vet ordered or compounded the generic omeprazole for you? My trainer insists that the generic doesn't work but I'm in the medical field and so I tend to disagree with him. I can't believe one month was only $100! That's amazing. It went up when I bought a 30 day supply this last March. It's over $100 but still a far cry from $1,000.

I see a difference in less than 24 hours and the Arab is good for 9 - 10 months. But he's not working either. If your horse is in hard training, the Omeprazole might not be enough for him. Something to ask the vet

Did you treat the horse with hind gut ulcers before you started the succeed or just started on it?
Succeed has a kit whereby the vet can test for hind gut ulcers with a stool sample. It was determined from that test, my TWH had hind gut ulcers.

I cut his feed back to about zero, started him on the Succeed right away and slowly brought him back to his feed pan stuff.

He also has insulin issues so there are supplements he has to have.

Between feeding him the Succeed every day and feeding his feed pan stuff 3 - 4 times a day, he bounced back looking better than he's looked for a good year.

His hind gut ulcers kept him from shedding last year; I was scared to death he was developing cushings but within 10 days of being on the Succeed, his system regulated itself and he finished shedding without me having to do a full body clip. I was happily astounded.

He shed out this year "slicker n a peeled onion", as my granddad used to say. Even with his hock/ankle arthritis he's got plenty of spirit and energy to maintain Herd Boss status. I don't think he'd be doing near as well without the Succeed, so I keep him on it, daily.
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    06-10-2013, 07:33 PM
  #10
Weanling
These are just the stories that I wanted to hear about. It's not that I don't trust my vet to give me all the answers (with my questions that would take a couple of hours) but I like to have a clue what "real" people do. My barn is full of the Richie-Riches of the area (I don't really belong there but it's where my friend rides and the people are actually very nice) so they just tend to do the most advanced and most expensive alternative without really discussing anything else.

I have seen other horses at the barn on Succeed. I need to learn more about the different locations for ulcers and I will definitely ask about the fecal test.
     

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