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post #21 of 42 Old 05-26-2010, 06:45 PM
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It's a good idea to always be there when you horse's feet are being trimmed/shod. It's easy when you are boarding to slack off this responsibility, but you miss out on both being able to accurately pass on important information to your farrier (like the fact your horse over-reaches) as well as miss out on any important details about the trim or things your farrier can teach you about your horses feet. BO's are busy and don't always make this communication a priority - nor is it their responsibility to. Make a point to always be attending your own horse for ANY farrier or vet appointment.

Its a rule at our barn, the owner must be there when farrier comes
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Okay. I was typing this up on my ipod so I missed some things and I talked to my mom as well and I got some more information.
So when he got shod the first time he pulled a shoe so my mom asked the barn manager to talk to the farrier (because he never comes out when she isn't at work). Well the next time he put the shoes on the same thing happened. This time my mom left a note in his planner thing. He did it once more. Jesse pulled the shoe. So we took the other one off and we thought he would be fine barefoot.
We always have got his feet done every six weeks and his hooves crack very easily. Also, the footing throughout the whole place isn't nice at all.

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Just to remind everyone it was just a rant. I was upset, tired, and grumpy.

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post #24 of 42 Old 05-27-2010, 07:18 AM
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In fact our farrier perfers several of the owners to NOT be there. When "Pookie" acts up, owner says 'no no' and Pookie proceeds to become more naughty. BO growls QUIT and Pookie does so - RFN. At $35 a trim, it's so not worth an idiot horse hurting my wonderful farrier.
I'm more mean to my horse then my farrier when she acts up. I have no problem yelling and smacking her shoulder when she intentionally pulls her foot from him (and YES, she knows she should not do it, but still tests every single time), he never discipline her (even though I told him I don't mind a smack if he finds it appropriate). HOWEVER I've seen situations when the farriers went all mad on not-very-quiet horse and smacked it with the rasp (NOT my horse though). That's one of the reason why I ALWAYS try to make an appointment whether it's vet or farrier - you just never know what may go wrong...

BTW, I agree some people are "know it all" type and teach the farrier his job. Not good. But on other hand I know some farriers HATE questions and react as their experience/knowledge is questioned.
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post #25 of 42 Old 05-27-2010, 07:26 AM
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So when he got shod the first time he pulled a shoe so my mom asked the barn manager to talk to the farrier (because he never comes out when she isn't at work).
Again, YOU (or your mother) need to be there, not the barn manager, not a note. The farrier can not discuss with a note.

Like so many of us horse owners, you just take time off of work to attend to these things.


Did you try bell boots?
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post #26 of 42 Old 05-27-2010, 07:54 AM
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well speaking of farriers I had one out today.....he's good but i'll check his work tomorrow

I think it's important that every owner meets their farrier and watches what he does, the are farriers out there that aren't so flash on the horsemanship skills and could do something to your horse that you don't approve of.
I watch my farriers do their work and I tell them the history of the horse and what I do with them work wise. I pre warn the farrier if there's a certain issue that needs attending or fixed or if my horses feet need alot of correction. They are well and truely informed. I had had bad farriers that cut too short, leave my young horse flat footed with under run heels, his horsemanship skills where BAD!!! He wanted to put a chain under the lip of my friends horse so he didn't play up!!! My friends told him that he's not here to sort out her horses behaviour she will do it and the horse will listen. Never used him again.

It's unexceptable for ur horse to be left for 12 weks with cracked long feet!!! You would only need to look at them and see that they need doing. I sounds like he was running behind time and didn't want to do the horses feet. As for the shoeing issue, he should have notice that the old shoes where in a way to stop a horse over reaching then do the same, but if mot the first time surely the second. You need to go out and talk to this farrier and watch his work and ask questions.

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i sounds like he was running behind time and didn't want to do the horses feet. As for the shoeing issue, he should have notice that the old shoes where in a way to stop a horse over reaching then do the same, but if mot the first time surely the second. You need to go out and talk to this farrier and watch his work and ask questions.
You are obviously some type of mind reader?

Just because the farrier said pass on trimming feet you are assuming that he just did not want to do them?
Why not assume the barn/barn owner are the type that people are always trying to save money (not saying the OP is, just saying that might be the environment there)?
Why not assume that since the OPs horse has always had shoes on that during this transition time the hoof may have gotten a little short and the farrier did not want to trim more off?

I will say it again, farriers can not read minds. I am sure he saw the shoe he took off. He has no way of knowing why the shoe was made how it was. None. One does not look at a shoe with no heel and automatically say 'this horse must forge'. A person might look at it and say 'that last farrier was crap, trying to give this poor horse under run heals or is too cheap to use a shoe that actually fits'.

Farriers are professionals (or they should be). It is not their job to guess what Dobbin had done or not done for the last years.
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post #28 of 42 Old 05-27-2010, 08:19 AM
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yeah I got ESP so I can read this farriers mind......(he wants chocolate)
There are farriers that do this when they got alot to do, it SOUNDS LIKE he MIGHT HAVE done this because not everyone is honest and reliable.....THAT"S MY OPINION ONLY from experience.....personally.....
The point I was TRYING to make is that if the horse last shoes are missing the heal then the horse rips it off when the heal is on, then you would think that farrier would go 1+1= window...the previous farrier had done it for a reason. If a horse isn't ready for a trim the next time you don't leave it for another 6 weeks and hope it'll be ok. You rebook a few weeks later.

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post #29 of 42 Old 05-27-2010, 08:35 AM
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Just because the farrier said pass on trimming feet you are assuming that he just did not want to do them?
Personally I would be thinking that too. I'm fine with farrier saying something like "they are still in good shape lets check again in 1-2 weeks", but just not 6(!) weeks - that's lots of time. Unfortunately I've seen that happening in very full barn - farrier was just tired after 10-15 horses and looked for excuses not to do some people's horses. I'm not saying this is what necessarily happened here of course, but it just doesn't sound right.
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THAT"S MY OPINION ONLY from experience.....personally.....
The point I was TRYING to make is that if the horse last shoes are missing the heal then the horse rips it off when the heal is on, then you would think that farrier would go 1+1= window...the previous farrier had done it for a reason.
Some farriers leave the heal off because going up a shoe size would require more re-work so shoving the horse into the slightly smaller shoe size works for them, leaving now heal.

(Which I do not agree with, just have seen it be the case with more than one farrier in my time.)


I guess I am just lucky. My farrier communicates with me and I communicate with him, so we are on the same page about my horses. When I started using him he did ask, "do you know the reason why <previous farrier did something he did not agree with, but was worded nicely so as not to point fingers, etc>"
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