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post #11 of 18 Old 05-18-2011, 08:14 PM
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Is the mare truly bleeding, or does it have a dark discharge that is sticking to her tail and hind legs? Way back when, I was worried my mare was bleeding because her hind legs and tail were coated in a dark substance, but it was a dark discharge (completely normal) that mixed with dirt when she laid down or rolled to make it appear to be almost dried-blood-like (new word of the day...)



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Masquerade, I still think so also. My local vet seems to think that since everything feels normal when she is palpated that there cannot be any tumors. Does anyone know if thats entirely correct? I have a hard time thinking there couldn't be a tumor just because he spent five minutes feeling around.

Justdressageit, Yes it was actually blood. There were dark red "stringy" clots but for the most part the mare had bright red stained/streaked legs and a mostly red tail. She was still "dripping" when I came out and saw this.

She has since -this evening- gone back to "in heat" and will not leave the other horses alone. We've separated her for everyone's safety, but thats hard with her as she doesn't want to eat when separated. I had a lengthily discussion with the mares owner this evening and she feels that she cannot afford taking the mare to state. The vets here are leaning towards - for lack of knowing whats wrong - putting the mare down. I am pulling my hair out over here, if she were mine she would have been hauled to MSU the morning of. But she is not and I am not in the position to put tests into someone elses twenty year old mare
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I suggest you let the owners and her vets make a decision. If the owner can't afford to have further testing done on the mare, then either you pay for it or let it go. If the mare is not in pain and other than acting in heat all the time, then let her be.
Not sure how well a vet can feel the entire uterous through a rectal exam, but I imagine they can probably feel a tumor if it is big enough. If an ultrasound is not done, and the vet say they feel no tumor, then it doesn't sound like there is much left to be done. If she is leaking pus, then it sounds like a uterine infection of some kind. Have the blood run and see if an infection shows up.
If the vets won't do the blood and the owners don't feel like forcing the issue, then I believe you need to step aside and let the owner deal with her horse as she feels she financially can.
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hope that the mare will be alright.

We had a mare that was ALWAYS in heat it seemed but she never poured blood..but her stall would be soaked with nasty pee stuff.
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Ohhh no :( Our 22yo grey arab mare did this over a year ago, the vets never figured out what it was and she just kept bleeding, they did all sorts of tests on her, loads of internal scans etc, bloods, never figured it out. Then one day we went out and she was colicing really badly, the vet was rushed out and he said there was nothing that we could do to save her and she ended up being put down, RIP Laasanna, 28th april 2010.
I really really hope whatever is causing this is found, and found quickly.

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Masquerade, I still think so also. My local vet seems to think that since everything feels normal when she is palpated that there cannot be any tumors. Does anyone know if thats entirely correct? I have a hard time thinking there couldn't be a tumor just because he spent five minutes feeling around.
Most often I have seen granulosa cell tumors diagnosed by ultrasound showing a fairly classic "bubble wrap" appearance (you see tons of small follicles). The ovary can feel huge or it can feel normal but the opposite ovary is usually very small since the tumor secretes inhibin which has a negative feedback on FSH. I know many vets who could diagnose these tumors in 5 minutes of palpating but I don't know that you could truely rule it out that quickly especially since her behavioural changes are very suggestive of this disease.
Here is a short article by Purdue University that expalins GCTs in a bit more detail for you, hope it helps.
Granulosa-Theca Cell Tumors in the Mare
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Ohhh no :( Our 22yo grey arab mare did this over a year ago, the vets never figured out what it was and she just kept bleeding, they did all sorts of tests on her, loads of internal scans etc, bloods, never figured it out. Then one day we went out and she was colicing really badly, the vet was rushed out and he said there was nothing that we could do to save her and she ended up being put down, RIP Laasanna, 28th april 2010.
I really really hope whatever is causing this is found, and found quickly.
I was just going to ask the OP what color the horse was. Grey horses are prone to melanoma. Not all of the tumors are external. Unfortunately the internal tumors are undetected until they cause other issues - colic is the primary but uterine and bladder issues are not uncommon.

I had to put down a mare due to a tumor in her carotid artery. The vet had her on the table for 3 hours and could not excise. It was too entwined with all of the vessels. She was only 8.
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The mare is a grey Quarter Horse cross.
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