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post #91 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 10:08 AM
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Ahh but her claim that there is only one vet that does equines is the area is false. I have multiple numbers for vets with emergency numbers that are willing to travel to my area or are willing to have me travel to them. Limiting yourself to one vet in emergencies is asinine.
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post #92 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 10:37 AM
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I think everyone posting in this thread needs to go back and take a look at this:

The Surprise Foaling Thread for Hunny

It changed my opinion of the OP and her situation. As a new horse owner, she budgeted for her new riding horse and got a mare in foal instead. I think that would present a challenge to the most careful planners and budgeters among us.

Second, it's clear from the thread that the mare is well cared for, foaled in a safe place, has had in general, good, appropriate care and that her owner is devoted to her care and determined to do whatever is needed.

However, I also want to defend NdAppy and some of the other vocal critics in this thread. When you've been participating in horse forums for a while, you'll learn that "I can't get the vet out because __________" is a huge red flag, usually posted by somone using the internet in place of veterinary advice. We've all heard it over and over, and 99% of the time, it's an excuse for inadequate care. The whole reason there's a vet directory on this forum is that the number one entry for the blank in that statement is "...there isn't one close to me."

What happened in this thread is that the poor OP unwittingly posted the "red flag" statement separately from the thread detailing all her efforts to care for her mare.

The foal is adorable. Best of luck to you, the mare and the foal.
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lol Missouri Valley Vet is the only trusted equine vet in the area with full facilities :) they're the ones I called and the ones I went to. Dr. Russ is in fact the only equine vet I prefer, the other one is good, but Dr. Russ is just so good with horses and is so calm and explains what he is doing and why. The other guy just does it without telling you and it's like "...Uhhh why are you doing that? What are you doing?..."
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post #94 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 08:38 PM
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I want to offer my best wishes, prayers for what you're going through, and sincerely hope all goes well for you, your mare and foal! - so much to deal with, and you're doing all you possibly can, and quite well under the circumstances :)
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post #95 of 97 Old 04-13-2012, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by faye View Post
People giving antibiotic willy nilly, wrong doses or incomplete courses of antibiotics are the sole reason we have the Super bugs like MRSA!!!

I far prefer the system over here where only a vet is allowed to give any antibiotics to horses and they have to be prescribed for a perticular horse. You cannot just keep a bottle in your fridge/freezer just in case.
actually around 80% of all antiobiotics used in the usa are used in feed lot farming I don't think the casual once in a great while animal owner is the problem. MRSA as well is linked to factory cattle farming.

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post #96 of 97 Old 04-13-2012, 02:36 AM
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actualy they probably do a lot more damage then the size of the "once in a while" population should.
The "once in a while" people tend to be the ones who don't give correct doses, dont give the correct course or dont finnish the course.
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post #97 of 97 Old 04-13-2012, 02:56 AM
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Am so very relieved that your beloved mare is well and all of this conjecture was ultimately, for naught!

To the few folks who mentioned the various different applications for Oxytocin in the horse/animal world & seemed to be somewhat insulting to nurses in general (one our two posters briefly), I believe I very clearly started my qualifications, or rather, LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS in regard to horse reproduction, as well as the fact that despite my FOUR year (BSN) Registered Nursing degree (not one I "picked up as anyone-apparently-can, in two years at a community college"), PLUS 15+ years of acute care experience and 6+ of which in L&D, I never recommended Cowgirl DO ANYTHING WITH THE DRUG, rather, I pointed out (for her PIECE OF MIND ONLY, AT A TIME WHEN SHE MADE IT CLEAR SHE WOULD JUST BE SITTING THERE WORRYING AS NO VET WOULD BE ARRIVING IMMEDIATELY) that most of the time WITH HUMAN MOTHERS, the oxytocin has passed it's effective point shortly after birthing.

As well, I told her that (again, IN HUMANS!) there is a large volume of blood loss with retained placenta, thus, "IF" horses are in any way similar, she would "probably" have seen such.

I never advised her as to what she should give, med-wise, and rather, again, I advised she NOT GIVE OXYTOCIN, for the reasons I mentioned in my post which COULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME FOR HORSES AS HUMANS, THOUGH I MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT I could not advise her as to that, only as to what "might be" & some things she "could check for", since her options at that point were limited, and I hated the thought of her sitting there panicking in light of no other choice by that time!

I was trying to ease her mind while also giving her some productive things to think about and check for. I really hope that the harsh criticism posts aimed at nurses and such were not directed at me, as I do not believe I could have qualified myself any moreso than I did when giving her the info I well, I certainly NEVER TOLD HER to administer ANY DRUG to her mare, not would I have, not being a Veterinarian!

The LAST thing I need (our anyone needs, I imagine!) is a dead or injured mare/foal on their conscience, and advice about giving meds (& not simply a basic info session on what certain meds are and are not used for, generally speaking) MUST BE LEFT TO MDs & vets, period.

I just felt I needed to clear the air on that one, as I was truly trying to help her, and do not feel I misled her our did anything outside of my scope of practice OR experience. I had a hard time discerning if folks were indicating I had overstepped, or if the posters being referred to were some other than myself, as no names were used.

By the way, thank you to the Mod (now I forget YOUR name, I'm sorry!) Who filled me and everyone else in on what oxytocin can be used for in the HORSE WORLD...very good/interesting info! That is further reason to never give human drugs to animals, thinking they will do the same things without vet advice, as I never knew oxytocin would be used on a non-pregnant/post-pregnancy animal uterus, for example! That is what I love about this forum, ALL THE LEARNING I HAVE accomplished HERE! :0)

Again, sooo happy mom & baby are well, Cowgirl! Enjoy your "surprise package" now that things are calmer... :0)
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